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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 4244951" data-attributes="member: 40961">I hardly think that the ability is only worthwhile if Cha is your primary stat.  I'd also consider it worthwhile if Cha is a secondary stat, like with Rogues, Clerics, and Warlords.I wouldn't consider it worthwhile if Cha was a dump stat, of course.I don't consider this much different from other races.  Sure, tieflings don't make good fighters because fighters don't focus on Cha, and one of the tieflings racial abilities does.  But elves don't make good warlords, because of the four ability scores a warlord might want, str for attack, cha and int for class abilities, and con for durability, elves get bonuses in the other two, dex and wis.  It happens.I have to disagree.  Suppose I want to play... how about an elven cleric.  I get good use from my +2 wis, but the +2 dex is kind of wasted.  If I played a half elf cleric, I'd get +2 cha and assign my floating +2 to wis, giving me bonuses in both my primary stat, and my secondary stat related to my build.  This increase in the efficiency of your ability score usage is worth a lot.  It means that as long as Cha is either your most important or second most important stat, you get perfect synergy between race ability score bonuses and class ability score needs.I was actually talking about your opinion of humand and dragonborn.  I see their persistent, subtle benefits as being worth as much or more than the flashy abilities of the races you put in the top tier.Overall, tieflings do disappoint me a bit.  Maybe that will change when I see the tiefling racial feats, or if it turns out that one of the classes or subclasses uses a cha/int combination.  But half elves are very solid, in my opinion.  And humans and dragonborn are definitely top tier.</blockquote>

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