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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 8525266" data-attributes="member: 6799660">Can you take another stab at connecting the two clauses joined by 'because?' I'm not seeing the linkage/argument. How is acknowledging these issues telling others that they are having badwrongfun? What is the it in 'it is the intent of the person perceiving it as much as the artist creating it?,' and how does it suggest that the conversation is telling people they are having badwrongfun?Whatever intent Gygax had with the drow in his own mind, the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_the_Spiders" target="_blank">drow </a>that came out of TSR and into the hands of the people consuming the media decidedly did not (or did not consistently) reflect this. From what I understand, there are other things that Gary didn't intend or didn't passionately embrace (IIRC, he says he put in different Strength limits by gender because someone else thought it important and wanted it more than he had energy or interest to resist). What exactly does that get us? People who were telepathic at the time would have known that the media they got wasn't intended to be X, Y, or Z? That gets back to the Death of the Author discussion. Does creator intent matter, and if so, when and how (especially when people would have to ignore that with which they'd been presented and take as primary secret creator information to which they would have had no access at the time)?So wait, you do think these are problematic? I'm really having a hard time figuring out your position.It is valid, but doing so tells other people they are having badwrongfun? I am serious that I don't get your position. Is this an acceptable or unacceptable topic of discussion in your mind?The Mystara orcs are probably not well known, but they were part of a trend (also propagated by AD&D 2e's The Complete Book of Humanoids) or conflating orcs (and other humanoids) as stand-ins for IRL tribal societies (often with patently obvious Native American or Sub-Saharan African or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drums_on_Fire_Mountain" target="_blank">Pacific Island</a>er trappings). I don't know which, if any, of these caught on (or if, D&D-adjacent media like Warhammer and Warcraft carried some of the water), but the conflation exists. It's really what D&D (the brand) does now that will be how they are judged, and honestly their doing... well, okay.</blockquote>

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