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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 8527353" data-attributes="member: 177">It isn't about &quot;providing&quot;.&nbsp; It is about setting one anecdote as a sort of counter to another - &quot;You had this experience?&nbsp; Well, I didn't, so prove it to me!&quot;Ah.[spoiler=&quot;The Original Wondermark Comic&quot;][ATTACH=full]150822[/ATTACH][/spoiler]If the issue at hand was a dispute over an assertion of an objective fact (like, say, WotC sales over a given period), then asking for support is reasonable.&nbsp; When it is about a subjective experience, however, it looks a lot like sealioning. Demanding someone who has gone through a bad experience to provide you with details, so that you may pass judgement over whether it was actually bad is unkind, and has you assuming a position of authority to pass judgement over the experience which you have not otherwise established.Because they lived through it. &quot;I got in a fight last night.&quot;&quot;Oh, really?&nbsp; Was it actually fight?&nbsp; Or was it more of a scuffle or an altercation?&quot;&quot;I got punched in the nose.&quot;&quot;Oh, well I've been punched in the nose plenty of times, and I'm fine!&quot;&quot;Look, I was bleeding all over the place, and my nose was broken!&quot;&quot;Broken?&nbsp; Really?&nbsp; In how many places?&nbsp; How much blood was there, really, that you should think this was really a fight?&quot;&quot;ARGH!&quot;&quot;All I'm asking...&quot; is one hallmark of sealioning.&nbsp; You are hiding behind the fact that it is &quot;only a question&quot; without addressing the implications of questioning.&nbsp; If, in fact, they did suffer harm, the questioning shows an astounding lack of empathy.If you are not treating the people in the discussion as more important than you being right, there's a problem.About their personal experiences, pretty much.&nbsp; You may not agree with the conclusions they reach because of their experiences, but they should not have to &quot;prove&quot; the quality of their experiences to you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 8527353, member: 177"] It isn't about "providing". It is about setting one anecdote as a sort of counter to another - "You had this experience? Well, I didn't, so [I]prove[/I] it to me!" Ah. [spoiler="The Original Wondermark Comic"] [ATTACH type="full" alt="1643314630203.png"]150822[/ATTACH] [/spoiler] If the issue at hand was a dispute over an assertion of an objective fact (like, say, WotC sales over a given period), then asking for support is reasonable. When it is about a subjective experience, however, it looks a lot like sealioning. Demanding someone who has gone through a bad experience to provide you with details, so that you may pass judgement over whether it was [I]actually bad[/I] is unkind, and has you assuming a position of authority to pass judgement over the experience which you have not otherwise established. Because they lived through it. "I got in a fight last night." "Oh, [I]really[/I]? Was it actually fight? Or was it more of a scuffle or an altercation?" "I got punched in the nose." "Oh, well I've been punched in the nose plenty of times, and I'm fine!" "Look, I was bleeding all over the place, and my nose was broken!" "Broken? Really? In how many places? How much blood was there, really, that you should think this was really a fight?" "ARGH!" "All I'm asking..." is one hallmark of sealioning. You are hiding behind the fact that it is "only a question" without addressing the implications of questioning. If, in fact, they did suffer harm, the questioning shows an astounding lack of empathy. If you are not treating the people in the discussion as more important than you being right, there's a problem. About their personal experiences, pretty much. You may not agree with the conclusions they reach because of their experiences, but they should not have to "prove" the quality of their experiences to you. [/QUOTE]

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