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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Yora" data-source="post: 8527463" data-attributes="member: 6670763">As I see it, it is always a good practice to listen to any kind of objection and take a moment to think about what you're doing or creating and what kind of image that projects or message it is sending. Often enough, you will find that some of the implications are bad, or that you can see how that makes certain people feel upset, but you've never really thought about it. Reflection on what you're doing and creating is always a good thing.But it becomes a problem when some people of a given group say they find something objectionable and want it gone, but other people of the same group say it's something they really liked and are upset that it's taken away from them. By following one sub-group's view on how the greater group should be presented, you can end up with forcing erasure on another sub-group within that group. That's a situation where there is no safe option that covers any possible cases of harm. Sometimes something that is seen as a threat by one sub-group is seen as empowerment by another sub-group. Examples that come to mind are trans-phobic feminists, or homosexuals who deny bisexuality exists. (Not encountered either in the wild myself, but these are or have been issues.)To get back to my earlier point, it does not work to treat various discriminated groups as monolithic wholes. Within all these groups there is always a wide range of diversity that goes down many levels, each having different experiences and needs. Creative works that please everyone, or at least offend nobody are impossible to make. Everything always has to be weighted by how much it bothers some people and how much it uplifts others, and for what reasons. If I make something that bothers segregationists, I'm of course not really feeling inclined to accomodate them. But if something is regarded as a welcome boost by people who have a lot to push against, while it's a minor annoyance to others who are given more of a pass by society, then it can seem right to side with the former over the later.This is a fundamental issue of society. And whatever the philosophy of factual knowledge is called. There are no individuals who we can accept as being right about these things and everyone else being wrong. Even of there was, we wouldn't be able to objectively determine who it is. In the end it always comes down to making a personal judgment on how much offense to who is an acceptable trade for giving how much much joy to who?</blockquote>

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