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<blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8528040" data-attributes="member: 84112">right, (for the most part) people who persecute are going to be jerks in one way or another no matter way. We still don't want to give them excuses.There is a game called World of Darkness. they have a book that one of my buddies loves. However it also pretty much took a racists' stereotype used by bigots' and used it as an origin for a super power... he didn't know this (neither did I at the time) so he repeated that idea out loud and got weird looks form some and got others to tell him how right he was... want to guess what group of those people we DIDN&quot;T want to be associated with? Now when a big &quot;stop publishing this&quot; was made back in the 90s I started looking into it. He didn't, he didn't follow this sort of thing (I mean politics of the back end of gaming). It took MONTHS for me to get the whole story on the fact that the story in the book had these roots. I then joined the &quot;Well I did like the book but now that I know it has to go&quot; crowd. He didn't right away it took over a year from when I found out until when he finally sat and listened. When he listened he changed his tune, but was sad (something he really liked was taken from him, even if it was for a good reason)(remember we are talking late 90's early 2000's here) I then made the mistake of thinking the book was a dog whistle... until about 5 or 6 years ago I got to meet someone that worked with White Wolf and wrote some (but not that) books... and he told me the story about how that book got written and green lit.&nbsp; basically a really bad story went through the telephone game and the writer didn't know where it came form, and they didn't think about it at all. see that book wasn't an evil dog whistle. It was a dumb mistake because someone didn't ask enough questions and do enough research, or do enough thought into those scale &quot;can this cause harm and if so what likely hood will it and on what level?&quot; It then caused a bunch of dumb goth kids to latch onto the foundation of a VERY bad thing...without knowing it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HammerMan, post: 8528040, member: 84112"] right, (for the most part) people who persecute are going to be jerks in one way or another no matter way. We still don't want to give them excuses. There is a game called World of Darkness. they have a book that one of my buddies loves. However it also pretty much took a racists' stereotype used by bigots' and used it as an origin for a super power... he didn't know this (neither did I at the time) so he repeated that idea out loud and got weird looks form some and got others to tell him how right he was... want to guess what group of those people we DIDN"T want to be associated with? Now when a big "stop publishing this" was made back in the 90s I started looking into it. He didn't, he didn't follow this sort of thing (I mean politics of the back end of gaming). It took MONTHS for me to get the whole story on the fact that the story in the book had these roots. I then joined the "Well I did like the book but now that I know it has to go" crowd. He didn't right away it took over a year from when I found out until when he finally sat and listened. When he listened he changed his tune, but was sad (something he really liked was taken from him, even if it was for a good reason) (remember we are talking late 90's early 2000's here) I then made the mistake of thinking the book was a dog whistle... until about 5 or 6 years ago I got to meet someone that worked with White Wolf and wrote some (but not that) books... and he told me the story about how that book got written and green lit. basically a really bad story went through the telephone game and the writer didn't know where it came form, and they didn't think about it at all. see that book wasn't an evil dog whistle. It was a dumb mistake because someone didn't ask enough questions and do enough research, or do enough thought into those scale "can this cause harm and if so what likely hood will it and on what level?" It then caused a bunch of dumb goth kids to latch onto the foundation of a VERY bad thing...without knowing it. [/QUOTE]

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