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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TwinBahamut" data-source="post: 4224131" data-attributes="member: 32536">You have condensed together a few different points in here, so I think I may need to break them down into separate responses...First off, I don't think there is anything wrong with the "easy" way. Honestly, I think it is the right way. A class should be simple and focused. You can try to make a single "Fighter" that is simultaneously an archer class, a heavy armor-wearer, a master of two-handed weapons, and a light swashbuckler who uses a rapier and a main-gauche, but as 3E proved that kind of attempt usually leads to a poor class that doesn't have any internal coherence or mechanics that reflect flavor. On the other hand, you can make a simple and focused fighter class that focuses on heavy armor, protecting allies, and using either a two-handed weapon or a weapon and shield. 4E's approach is the latter, and I think any class for 4E should be just as focused and basic as the new Fighter.Your second point, regarding the popularity of the "musician" archetype, is flawed. The poll says that more than 40% of the people here would like to see a "musician" class. Appealing to more than that is unnecessary, since you won't find a class more popular than that in the first place. People simply vary in tastes so much that making a single class that will appeal to even a majority of people is nearly impossible. That is why D&D evolved past a three class system in the first place.Anyways, as I said earlier, what is a "musician" class going to be called if not the Bard? Why do Loremasters and especially Jack-of-all-Trades have to be called Bards? The connection between the name Bard and the idea of a musician is much stronger than the idea that a Bard is a Jack-of-all-Trades. You can call a Jack-of-all-Trades class anything you want, but the word Bard has certain connotations that make it a better match for a musician. After all, just because the Bard is a musician class does not mean that a separate Jack-of-all-Trades class can't exist.Finally, I don't think "Loremaster" is a valid concept for a character class in 4E. If you want to be a master of lore in 4E, you just need a high intelligence score and training in the History skill. Whether you are a Bard, a Wizard, a Rogue, or even a Fighter doesn't matter, and it shouldn't. Classes are built around combat abilities, not out-of-combat abilities like knowing a lot of facts.</blockquote>

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