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The Bard (UPDATED 6-3-08; now to level 10)
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<blockquote data-quote="Forrester" data-source="post: 4272935" data-attributes="member: 1279"><p><strong>Precedence for one-half ability score bumps . . .</strong></p><p></p><p>Not too many in there, but there are a couple, and they're not going to be rarely used -- the Warlord gives folks a bonus to half his intelligence bonus to attacks when they use an action point to attack, and the Fighter "Sweeping Blow" exploit adds half his strength modifier to the attack roll if he is wielding an axe, flail, heavy blade, or pick. </p><p></p><p>Given this, I don't think it'd be too clumsy to give the bard's inspiration-to-skill-checks ability the bonus of one-half his charisma bonus if nothing else really seems appropriate. Most references to one-half are to level, though. </p><p></p><p>Re the regain-second-wind power, clerics have it -- and as a daily -- at 6th level, but it's a minor action -- big difference between a minor and a standard. On a similar note, clerics level 6 utility that allows the target to spend a healing surge, adding the cleric's charisma bonus. (And because it's healing, I think he'd get to add the cleric's wisdom bonus as well, right?) It's a minor action. </p><p></p><p>I bring this up because it's obvious to me that we (or at least I!) want to give the bard the ability to sing a little healin' song as a standard that allows an ally to spend a healing surge as a free action (not burning 2nd wind) -- similarly, a little song to rejuvenate everyone's second wind. It may be heresy, but I don't think it'd be broken to give the Bard access to this ability in his first couple levels. </p><p></p><p>It's like comparing quickened spells to regular -- I can't imagine that it wouldn't bump down the level requirement by at least 3 or 4. </p><p></p><p>I hope we can find an example of one class getting a certain ability as a minor action, and another getting something similar as a standard, so we can see what the level difference looks like.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: Just noticed Warlords have a 2nd level standard action utility, range touch, that has exactly the "go ahead and burn a healing surge" ability I was looking for. Bards getting an ability like that at range at 2nd or 3rd level seems reasonable to me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Forrester, post: 4272935, member: 1279"] [b]Precedence for one-half ability score bumps . . .[/b] Not too many in there, but there are a couple, and they're not going to be rarely used -- the Warlord gives folks a bonus to half his intelligence bonus to attacks when they use an action point to attack, and the Fighter "Sweeping Blow" exploit adds half his strength modifier to the attack roll if he is wielding an axe, flail, heavy blade, or pick. Given this, I don't think it'd be too clumsy to give the bard's inspiration-to-skill-checks ability the bonus of one-half his charisma bonus if nothing else really seems appropriate. Most references to one-half are to level, though. Re the regain-second-wind power, clerics have it -- and as a daily -- at 6th level, but it's a minor action -- big difference between a minor and a standard. On a similar note, clerics level 6 utility that allows the target to spend a healing surge, adding the cleric's charisma bonus. (And because it's healing, I think he'd get to add the cleric's wisdom bonus as well, right?) It's a minor action. I bring this up because it's obvious to me that we (or at least I!) want to give the bard the ability to sing a little healin' song as a standard that allows an ally to spend a healing surge as a free action (not burning 2nd wind) -- similarly, a little song to rejuvenate everyone's second wind. It may be heresy, but I don't think it'd be broken to give the Bard access to this ability in his first couple levels. It's like comparing quickened spells to regular -- I can't imagine that it wouldn't bump down the level requirement by at least 3 or 4. I hope we can find an example of one class getting a certain ability as a minor action, and another getting something similar as a standard, so we can see what the level difference looks like. EDIT: Just noticed Warlords have a 2nd level standard action utility, range touch, that has exactly the "go ahead and burn a healing surge" ability I was looking for. Bards getting an ability like that at range at 2nd or 3rd level seems reasonable to me. [/QUOTE]
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