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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Serge" data-source="post: 971737" data-attributes="member: 4049">Dang.  I wasn't going to post, but now I have to.Someone gave some very astute examples of why The Batman would have a low Wis and a low Cha.  However, I disagree.Batman's Wis is probably higher than any other character's in DC with the possible exception of Superman and any of the Green Lanterns (save Guy Gardner when he was a Lantern... and save Hal Jordon before he went nutso, become "Galantern" and then The Spectre).  Batman's willpower is almost indomitable.  Everytime's he's been brainwashed, it's been during usual circumstances when he was pushed to the edge.  When he's been pushed to the edge, it's been in situations in which he was "punishing" himself for his own actions or inactions.  Is this Wise?  Maybe not, but it's human and that's one thing that The Batman is despite the fact that within DC (and superheroic comics in general) he's the pinnacle of human achievement.  Like every human being, he makes mistakes and, for someone who's almost completely mastered his emotions (although it could be argued that he's almost suppressed them), occasionally they boil over.  Frankly, he's wiser than Superman or at least has a huge Sense Motive (one can lie to Superman and get away with it unless Big Blue uses his super powers to detect the lie.  Bats just looks you in the eye or hears your voice and knows).  In Kingdom Come, he's the only one both Int and Wis enough to know what Luthor's up to and to keep track on the behaviors of metahumans and the World Government... and he manages to talk WW out of killing him.As for Cha, even Superman watches his step around Batman.  Bats has a huge Cha but has absolutely no Diplomacy.  When Bats shows up and wants everyone to know he's there, he has no problem taking command of a situation.  He has the ability to lead (he's led the JL a number of times), but doesn't like working with others whom can get him killed (he knows that whatever can take down The Flash could probably eat him with little effort), so he doesn't interact with them much.  He's even intimidated the likes of Lex Luthor!So, I would agree with high Wis and Cha scores for Bats.  As for skills, he'd definitely have high Bluff, Intimidate, and Sense Motive ranks.  He'd have Iron Will, Great Fortitude, and Lightning Reflexes.Now, how 'bout The Joker?!</blockquote>

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