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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 8073623" data-attributes="member: 177">Someone put to words a thing that's been rattling around in my head.I have no use for a "gritty" Batman movie.  Because it amounts to, "What if we just let someone be a cop, but without rules - he gets to beat people up an violate their rights because 'that's what it takes', as if that was a reliable crime-reduction technique, and we will call him a hero."  I am not into that.  He has body armor and a tank.  Cops have body armor and tanks now, Bats, we don't need you.  That tiny but really good winch to haul him up a cable?  Really?  That makes you a superhero? Give him all the wacky "wonderful toys" and he's a superhero.  Without them, his story becomes, "We both have violent mental health issues, but somehow I'm a hero and you are a villain."</blockquote>