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The Battle Continues Over "Childish Things"
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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 7770738" data-attributes="member: 7006"><p>I think most of us will agree that Maher is what we would call "on the fringe" of many different particular agendas. He has his own particular place on many topics, and would not be considered "in the middle" or in the "mainstream" on a lot of them. Anyone whose followed his feelings on religion know him to be way off to the far side than most of the rest of society-- even those who would call themselves atheists would say he's much further out, much more caustic, much less tolerant to those who are religious that most non-religious people would see themselves as.</p><p></p><p>He's also over 60, which is also a great divider in cultural belief systems-- the aged versus younger people. And that is something many comedians have to deal with (as we see nowadays), where things that are acceptable to make fun of or how you make fun of them has changed over the decades.</p><p></p><p>But in many ways I think those fringe voices are needed. We NEED to have the voices from the edges making all manner of claims, because it forces us to take a good hard look at what is being said and then come to conclusions whether or not we think those voices are full of crap. And that's what is happening here-- Maher is making commentary (I won't say "jokes" per se, as I think the humor is meant to be drawn from the performance and the angry 'get off my lawn' attitude rather than any particular joke structure) on how younger people are living their lives right now... and everyone is coming to their own conclusions and feelings about whether he has any point. Does he? I think the response has been pretty indicative.</p><p></p><p>I suspect most people are just rolling their eyes at him the same way you roll your eyes at your aunt or uncle at Thanksgiving. He's interpreting life through his own lens and perspective and isn't capable of seeing it through anyone else's. But at least his rant forces us to take stock of what he has said and analyze whether his opinion on the matter holds any weight. And that allows us to grow ourselves.</p><p></p><p>The one thing I'm glad about is that even on anyone's own particular "side" of large-scale issues there are going to be dissenting voices about particular individual things, and thus it will always force us to continue to think and consider and not turn our brains off mindlessly. Yeah, it feels jarring when someone we think is on our "side" holds an opinion that makes us go "Ew! Really?!?", but that jarring keeps us ever vigilant and constantly reassessing what we believe and who we listen to. As Dennis Miller joked back in the 90s on his show... "The last time I remember an entire nation being on the same page it was Germany in the late '30s, and it didn't end up all that funny."</p><p></p><p>And THAT'S what I think being an adult is really about. Always listening, and always learning.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 7770738, member: 7006"] I think most of us will agree that Maher is what we would call "on the fringe" of many different particular agendas. He has his own particular place on many topics, and would not be considered "in the middle" or in the "mainstream" on a lot of them. Anyone whose followed his feelings on religion know him to be way off to the far side than most of the rest of society-- even those who would call themselves atheists would say he's much further out, much more caustic, much less tolerant to those who are religious that most non-religious people would see themselves as. He's also over 60, which is also a great divider in cultural belief systems-- the aged versus younger people. And that is something many comedians have to deal with (as we see nowadays), where things that are acceptable to make fun of or how you make fun of them has changed over the decades. But in many ways I think those fringe voices are needed. We NEED to have the voices from the edges making all manner of claims, because it forces us to take a good hard look at what is being said and then come to conclusions whether or not we think those voices are full of crap. And that's what is happening here-- Maher is making commentary (I won't say "jokes" per se, as I think the humor is meant to be drawn from the performance and the angry 'get off my lawn' attitude rather than any particular joke structure) on how younger people are living their lives right now... and everyone is coming to their own conclusions and feelings about whether he has any point. Does he? I think the response has been pretty indicative. I suspect most people are just rolling their eyes at him the same way you roll your eyes at your aunt or uncle at Thanksgiving. He's interpreting life through his own lens and perspective and isn't capable of seeing it through anyone else's. But at least his rant forces us to take stock of what he has said and analyze whether his opinion on the matter holds any weight. And that allows us to grow ourselves. The one thing I'm glad about is that even on anyone's own particular "side" of large-scale issues there are going to be dissenting voices about particular individual things, and thus it will always force us to continue to think and consider and not turn our brains off mindlessly. Yeah, it feels jarring when someone we think is on our "side" holds an opinion that makes us go "Ew! Really?!?", but that jarring keeps us ever vigilant and constantly reassessing what we believe and who we listen to. As Dennis Miller joked back in the 90s on his show... "The last time I remember an entire nation being on the same page it was Germany in the late '30s, and it didn't end up all that funny." And THAT'S what I think being an adult is really about. Always listening, and always learning. [/QUOTE]
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