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Message: <blockquote data-quote="enpeze66" data-source="post: 5574163" data-attributes="member: 6672053">That remains to be seen. While the BECM boxes brought me to the hobby, the last 3x and 4  incarnations of the worlds most "beloved (and hated)" D&D game have done the opposite to me. They brought me to abandon D&D as a game system and to play Savage Worlds or RuneQuest.This is true. It does not depend on the experience of a player (after playing for nearly 3 decades now, I consider myself as experienced as a player can be) but on several other factors if he likes the overcomplicated D&D versions of the WotC era or not.The problem is for example that on the internet forums like enworld you most likely find numbercrunching "nerds" or "supernerds" as posters, which have a high tolerance to the last D&D rule editions despite their insane rule volume.  I guess many of them even embrace the complexity and react hostile if someone wants to navigate the whole game system to lighter rules. Its like taking away a favorite number crunching nerd toy. But one have to see it in this way: without sailing the boat into shallower waters it will entirely sink sooner or later. The current overcomplicated D&D versions are not a solution to save the p&p hobby. They only serve a nerdy number crunching minority of a customers base which shrinks from year to year. To reach the millions of older frustated players which gave up on the new edition rules and quit because they didnt care about balancing, miniature-use or a zillion of redundant spells, extensive monster stat blocks write ups of one full page, or  1000p+ rules, or chargen "options" or optimal character builts etc., you have to introduce a full simplified game system with only a few rule pages.Additionally to state that the new PF basic box is only for beginners is very untrue and a narrow sight of facts. Fact is that many old hands despise the complexity of current D&D incarnations and dont play it anymore because of this. For them a simplified D&D version  (like the 64p of the new PF player handbook) would be ideal.Is the new box this simplified full game version (I hope) or just one more unnecessary teaser to lure people into the normal PF game? (I hope not!) We will see it in some months.</blockquote>

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