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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nyaricus" data-source="post: 2509359" data-attributes="member: 35678">first off, you have some good, valid, comments, and i am tkaing them into consideration. But, one thing at a time . . . .  hmmm, i see what you mean here, and looking back over the skill list, i think it might be reasonable to just drop the listen and spot skills. The barbarian is supposed to be some sort of "wilderness-warrior" of a sort, and i guess i kinda shot myself in the foot with giving the berserker (a different type of fighter) spot and listen, like a standard barb.   lol, sorry about that. in the PHB, a katar is what is common called a "punching dagger", but i use the book "From Stone to Steel" (this has to be my favourite book in my collection yet) and so i use all my weapons from there, and the terms as well (which is why i used "katar").  well, i personally suggest those of you who havent seen the Unearthed Arcana Weapon Group profs to do so, and impliment them in your game (i do for even for my FRCS campaign i am DMing [look in the Races of Faerun book for ideas on weapon groups for characters from specifics areas/races], along with my own CS). as for not allowing crossbows, they do get martial weapon profs (using standard prof system), and with it access to might composite longbows, and with all the points they will put into str, itll balance out not allowing crossbow profs. If they use weapon prof groups, many throwing weapons are availiable that they will get their weapon focus applied to if their main weapon is from the same group (ie a guy who uses a great axe carries around soem throwing axes) or he can, with his 3 weapon group choices, snap up the bow-group weapons as one of his choices. note: edited to clarify points  okay, i suppose i should clarify a few things here (and also remember that i am using that From Stone To Steel book) Berserkers went bare-chested into battle. for gaming purposes, i allow my guys to use any light or medium non-metallic armor (there are a few reasonable ones in terms of stats in my book, i might end up posting them if requested) the DR picks up where the armour should leave off. so maybe i should disallow all armor? They were supposed to just be able to ignore hits (meaning, they dint care if they did get hit) so would the said DR, no armours, and a d12 hit dice be appropriate? furthermore they were said to sometimes be wearing bear or wolf skins, so maybe that could be made into Berserker-only light armour? note: i have now implimented differnt armour profs; see main entry. also, the Barbarian and Berserker get The two uncanny Dodge feats (which helps them keep dex bonuses), so keep that in mind  well . . . . i dunno, it just didnt seem all that important, and they do already get a +2 bonus while in rage, so i dont think they need +4. If anyone thinks thats a major balance issue, tell me. maybe just give it your your Berserkers at level 15, and set the Tireless Rage (note a level 17 barb ability) to level 18 (since my Berserker is more "realistic", if i can use that term for a game <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> ), or just keep em both at 15? comments here would help  well, game balance is the biggest issue here. in our history, berserkers had a generally "short" adventuring career. so i think it would be fair to those who gain a high level in this class to eventually ignore the fatigue bit > even if you didnt have the tireless rage, a spell or two would fix em right up at that level. i am jst trying to create a fun, reality-based class. as stated before, i am thining of setting it at level 18 instead, and bringin back Indomidable will at 15 still would like some feedback on where to put Indom Will (i'm considering level 15 and Tireless Rage (i'm considering level 17 or 18)  well, look at it this way . . .  Barbarian (at level 20)..................Berserker (at level 20)Mighty Rage 6/day...........................Greater Rage 5/dayIlliteracy....................................... Illiteracy (i will edit this into the main entry)fast movement................................-uncanny dodge................................uncanny dodgetrap sense + 6.................................-Improved Uncanny Dodge..................Improved Uncanny DodgeDR 5/-...........................................DR 10/--..................................................DR 15/- (raging only)Indomidable Will...............................-Tireless Rage...................................Tireless Rage-................................................... skill Mastery (intimidate)-.................................................. Intimidating Rage Barbarian 4+Int mod for skills (same except for Listen, 9 skills total)Berserker 2+int mod for skills (same except for Lore (Religion), dropping Listen and Spot, adding back Handle Animal and Ride, 9 skills total) so, each give up 3 things each, mine rages once less per day, but in each of his five rages, he gets 1.5 times the DR (which isnt that big of a deal at level 20) he moves slower (less combat manuverability) he doesnt have trap sense (which, by level 20, is a well developed skill, so a good compensation for better DR) and he gets a couple of feats revolving around his reputation of being a fearful warrior, and has less skills. i dunno, other than the armour issue, and the levels of certain (higher level) abilities, i think this is pretty balanced. again, comments would help greatly</blockquote>

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