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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7732608" data-attributes="member: 4937">I don't think Gygax intended to offend anyone, and I think he was rather surprised when he did, and even more surprised at the endurance of the moral panic.&nbsp;&nbsp; And I think that one consideration that is different is I don't think Gygax ever imagined his product being sold to eight and ten and twelve year olds, or considered exactly how parents might respond to that.&nbsp;&nbsp; You mean Gygax?&nbsp; Wasn't his job at TSR at the time official getting the brand into new media?&nbsp;&nbsp; Surely Gygax was the primary advisor from TSR on the cartoon?Sometimes.No, not at all.&nbsp; Most gaming tables do nothing of the sort.&nbsp;&nbsp; I've never yet been at a D&amp;D gaming table in 35 years of play where the cleric engaged in actual ritual, recitation of spells, used any religious paraphernalia as props, or even to any really significant degree regularly played out the duties of being a priest of priestess.&nbsp;&nbsp; In my experience, players also are either disinterested in that or would be offended by it or more likely some combination of both. When spells are cast, they are cast very much as they are cast in The Order of the Stick - by declaration of the spell to be cast, that is to say, &quot;Cure Serious Wounds!&quot; or, &quot;I cast 'Cure Serious Wounds'&quot;&nbsp; And that works fine at a table and it works fine in a comic stick figure cartoon that regularly breaks the 4th wall, but I can't see that working in a cartoon.&nbsp;&nbsp; Somethings don't translate between media.&nbsp; You can't actually film, &quot;The City and the City&quot;, or if you could, you'd have to use a number of really creative visual techniques.&nbsp;&nbsp; The device that Heinlein uses in &quot;Starship Troopers&quot;, where he only reveals that the protagonist isn't white halfway through the story cant' be done in film.&nbsp;&nbsp; The playful hiding of gender in Ancilliary Justice behind ambiguous language works less well in a live action film.&nbsp;&nbsp; And so on and so forth.&nbsp;&nbsp; The visual presentation of a cleric and how one is played at the table is very different.&nbsp;&nbsp; Let's just say with the attitude (finally) breaking out in Hollywood, I think it would be a bad idea to associate the brand with the Forgotten Realms.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7732608, member: 4937"] I don't think Gygax intended to offend anyone, and I think he was rather surprised when he did, and even more surprised at the endurance of the moral panic. And I think that one consideration that is different is I don't think Gygax ever imagined his product being sold to eight and ten and twelve year olds, or considered exactly how parents might respond to that. You mean Gygax? Wasn't his job at TSR at the time official getting the brand into new media? Surely Gygax was the primary advisor from TSR on the cartoon? Sometimes. No, not at all. Most gaming tables do nothing of the sort. I've never yet been at a D&D gaming table in 35 years of play where the cleric engaged in actual ritual, recitation of spells, used any religious paraphernalia as props, or even to any really significant degree regularly played out the duties of being a priest of priestess. In my experience, players also are either disinterested in that or would be offended by it or more likely some combination of both. When spells are cast, they are cast very much as they are cast in The Order of the Stick - by declaration of the spell to be cast, that is to say, "Cure Serious Wounds!" or, "I cast 'Cure Serious Wounds'" And that works fine at a table and it works fine in a comic stick figure cartoon that regularly breaks the 4th wall, but I can't see that working in a cartoon. Somethings don't translate between media. You can't actually film, "The City and the City", or if you could, you'd have to use a number of really creative visual techniques. The device that Heinlein uses in "Starship Troopers", where he only reveals that the protagonist isn't white halfway through the story cant' be done in film. The playful hiding of gender in Ancilliary Justice behind ambiguous language works less well in a live action film. And so on and so forth. The visual presentation of a cleric and how one is played at the table is very different. Let's just say with the attitude (finally) breaking out in Hollywood, I think it would be a bad idea to associate the brand with the Forgotten Realms. [/QUOTE]

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