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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6310411" data-attributes="member: 82106">I agree they didn't support the stuff well, and I hated the organization of that book. I never thought things like the Vampire and the Blackguard were mechanically poor though. The binder is crud, and I can't see why anyone would play a shade, but otherwise the various class options are pretty usable. It wasn't the most mechanically gifted book, but I find that players really like the options it has. It would have been REALLY NICE if WotC had pushed out at least a couple DDI support articles though. Some more feats for Vampires and Blackguards, and a couple "fill in the annoying missing bit" stuff for a few other options would have improved the utility a good bit. The articles on shadow class hybrids was nice, but it didn't really fix things. Of course none of the other post-essentials classes got any real depth of support either, so it isn't like this book is unique (HotFW just for whatever reason has generally better mechanics so you don't miss it as much). I have to say though, HotFW and HoS were both gold standards in terms of flavor for player books. All of 4e should have had that treatment. If those books had been the first 2 after say PHB2 instead of all the Power books and had their mechanics solidified that extra bit they'd have made a real huge difference in people's attitude to 4e fluff.</blockquote>