Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
The best representations of the power fantasies D&D has had
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="roger semerad" data-source="post: 9292138" data-attributes="member: 6998612"><p>As a huge fan of 4th, I'd say most class concepts were done best in that edition. There are only two exceptions in my own opinion.</p><p></p><p>Ranger - The Ranger has always been a bit murky on what the class fantasy actually is. As a result, every edition has taken it in different directions. When you really think about it though, the DnD concept of the Ranger really is just the 2nd edition one. Every DnD Ranger is compared to that one.</p><p></p><p>Artificer - This class was originally built around the 3.5 item creation rules. Those rules where dropped or simplified for a reason, but that has led to the class being aimless ever since. I'll even say that the 4th edition version was the only 4th AEDU class I didn't like. I think going forward the Artificer should be more like Batman or Jarlaxle. Someone who uses a huge variety of gadgets to solve problems, choosing their gadgets as they level up as class features similar to 5th Warlock Invocations. </p><p></p><p>Finally, I want to talk about the 4th edition Swordmage.</p><p></p><p>Gish - While not a core class in any edition, it is still one of the most popular class concepts in DnD. Much like the Ranger though, it's always been a grab bag of ideas that never solidified into a single class identity, until 4th's Swordmage. That's a class where the spellcasting and physical attacks were completely and perfectly intertwined. When I think of a DnD gish, I'm thinking of the Swordmage.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="roger semerad, post: 9292138, member: 6998612"] As a huge fan of 4th, I'd say most class concepts were done best in that edition. There are only two exceptions in my own opinion. Ranger - The Ranger has always been a bit murky on what the class fantasy actually is. As a result, every edition has taken it in different directions. When you really think about it though, the DnD concept of the Ranger really is just the 2nd edition one. Every DnD Ranger is compared to that one. Artificer - This class was originally built around the 3.5 item creation rules. Those rules where dropped or simplified for a reason, but that has led to the class being aimless ever since. I'll even say that the 4th edition version was the only 4th AEDU class I didn't like. I think going forward the Artificer should be more like Batman or Jarlaxle. Someone who uses a huge variety of gadgets to solve problems, choosing their gadgets as they level up as class features similar to 5th Warlock Invocations. Finally, I want to talk about the 4th edition Swordmage. Gish - While not a core class in any edition, it is still one of the most popular class concepts in DnD. Much like the Ranger though, it's always been a grab bag of ideas that never solidified into a single class identity, until 4th's Swordmage. That's a class where the spellcasting and physical attacks were completely and perfectly intertwined. When I think of a DnD gish, I'm thinking of the Swordmage. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
The best representations of the power fantasies D&D has had
Top