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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6565883" data-attributes="member: 82106">I don't want to spoil the tone of the thread, just call me a pessimist then. I consider this assertion unproven. In 35 years of playing and DMing I've never seen it happen. I'm sure there are many people who THINK they are doing this. I humbly submit that they're unaware of the actual processes going on at the table.Again, I haven't found a setting which I find to be even remotely logical. Sure, there are often a bunch of things that are explained in terms of some logic. Its debatable whether said logic WORKS or not, and in a sea of illogicality a few isolated logical elements don't really count for much since their entire context doesn't make sense and is contrived as I stated earlier. Don't get me wrong. I don't find any of this to be a FLAW in settings. Quite the contrary it is a necessary and entirely understandable part and parcel of building a D&D setting. They are fantastical localities designed specifically to present a finely tuned set of circumstances to the players of adventuring PCs. They don't function according to any consistent internal logic, don't model any kind of world which could come into existence by any sort of organic process, nor can we even define the logically consistent rules which they are purposed to be following! Honestly the greatest triumph of 4e FUNDAMENTALLY was realizing and explicitly being designed around the fact that the rules are there to facilitate a fun game of D&D and have no other purpose nor serve any other master. In 4e strategic teleport works a certain way BECAUSE IT MAKES A BETTER GAME. It took D&D's designers 40 years to get to that point, but they finally did and the results were startlingly effective. Even if you have issues with 4e you do have to admit that it solved a LOT of problems of this ilk. Of course you can hate the concomitant slaying of cows, but that's a whole other matter of taste which is best left to each individual and not aired around in forums.</blockquote>

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