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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6566095" data-attributes="member: 42582">We agree about the "level of abstraction" issue.The chase thing is interesting. Without intending to try and persuade you that the system is adequate, I could think of two ways of going.One is a 4/3 skill challenge to establish line of sight (with Athletics and Perception as the most obvious skills, plus Streetwise/Nature/Dungeoneering depending on location/terrain). Full success with Athletics as the final check would equal "caught". Success with failures but including Perception as the final check would equal "clear line of sight". Failure would equal "got away". Success with failures but with Athletics as the final check could also be "caught", but at a -2 penalty or down a healing surge. (Time for some fairly arbitrary GM calls!).Another is a longer challenge - say 10/3 or 12/3 - where a Perception check establish clear line of sight and permit shots to be taken, and these get factored in as successes in the challenge (probably not direct successes, but rather +2 to the next check if the shot hits). An Athletics check would also be needed to keep pace between shots.There are further issues around group vs individual checks which would have to be determined based on the minutiae of the particular situation and the declared actions.The enemy's Stealth check to hide is tricky, because the skill challenge system doesn't permit opponents to take actions. I can think of two ways to handle that. One is to use their Stealth skill to influence the difficulty of the relevant Perception checks (eg they all suffer -2, or are Hard rather than Medium, depending on how Stealth the NPC/monster is). Another is to allow the NPC to make a Stealth check in response to a failed check in the challenge, which then sets the DC for Perception checks downstream.As I said, I wouldn't expect any of this speculation to change your mind!</blockquote>

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