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<blockquote data-quote="The Crimson Binome" data-source="post: 6567712" data-attributes="member: 6775031"><p>Probably just an Arcana check, I suppose, if that skill routinely allows you to manipulate magical energies in a free-form manner without having to cast any spells. What would the sorcerer have done if he hadn't conveniently chosen that power? Because it sounds like you had both agreed that this thing would happen, regardless of the specific actions of the character.</p><p></p><p>If it was 2E, I would have researched a spell that specifically does exactly that sort of thing; or more likely, I would have researched the creation of magical items a couple of months prior to this encounter, and determined that the heart of a firedrake was a necessary component. I think you're under-estimating the 2E magical item creation guidelines, though; I'm sure that there was at least half of a sentence in there, somewhere, about how players could propose new items.</p><p></p><p>That's a good point. I hadn't thought of that before. It probably also explains why there was such a big deal made about the Diplomacy skill, when it was introduced in 3E. By giving players a game mechanic to use, which can shape the narrative in a predictable way, it empowers the players to better engage with the world.</p><p></p><p>But the key there is still that the players are shaping the narrative <em>through</em> their characters, rather than on an authorial level. Out of curiosity, did 4E have many Utility powers that were used in social situations? Was there a Daily or Encounter power that let you shift someone's attitude by a category, or anything?</p><p></p><p>It's like reading a book, and somewhere around chapter 113, the author admits that he doesn't know what happens next, and asks if you-the-reader have any suggestions.</p><p></p><p>I want to read the book that this author has written. I chose to read this book, because of the subject matter and the author, but I don't <em>want</em> to shape the world. Nor do I want the author to change the contents of the book, based on my feedback. It's the opposite of what I want out of a book-reading experience. It feels in-authentic - less meaningful.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Crimson Binome, post: 6567712, member: 6775031"] Probably just an Arcana check, I suppose, if that skill routinely allows you to manipulate magical energies in a free-form manner without having to cast any spells. What would the sorcerer have done if he hadn't conveniently chosen that power? Because it sounds like you had both agreed that this thing would happen, regardless of the specific actions of the character. If it was 2E, I would have researched a spell that specifically does exactly that sort of thing; or more likely, I would have researched the creation of magical items a couple of months prior to this encounter, and determined that the heart of a firedrake was a necessary component. I think you're under-estimating the 2E magical item creation guidelines, though; I'm sure that there was at least half of a sentence in there, somewhere, about how players could propose new items. That's a good point. I hadn't thought of that before. It probably also explains why there was such a big deal made about the Diplomacy skill, when it was introduced in 3E. By giving players a game mechanic to use, which can shape the narrative in a predictable way, it empowers the players to better engage with the world. But the key there is still that the players are shaping the narrative [I]through[/I] their characters, rather than on an authorial level. Out of curiosity, did 4E have many Utility powers that were used in social situations? Was there a Daily or Encounter power that let you shift someone's attitude by a category, or anything? It's like reading a book, and somewhere around chapter 113, the author admits that he doesn't know what happens next, and asks if you-the-reader have any suggestions. I want to read the book that this author has written. I chose to read this book, because of the subject matter and the author, but I don't [I]want[/I] to shape the world. Nor do I want the author to change the contents of the book, based on my feedback. It's the opposite of what I want out of a book-reading experience. It feels in-authentic - less meaningful. [/QUOTE]
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