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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6567865" data-attributes="member: 42582">What does "trying" mean, here? It must mean some sort of action declaration by a player. In which case it does not seem very different from what the player in my 4e game did - declare that he casts Cyclonic Vortex so as to gather into himself the ambient chaotic energies.There are two key questions when a novel action declaration is made. The first is, how does the table determine whether it is a permissible move in the game? The second arises if the action declaration is determined to be permissible - how it the declared action to be resolved?4e's answer to the first question is - the GM decides, but is expected to incline strongly towards saying yes. 4e's answer to the second question is - apply the generic framework for action resolution set out on p 42 and in the skill challenge rules.My typical experience with 2nd ed AD&D is that the answer to the first question can be all over the place (but defaults to GM decides), and that there is no systematic guidance on how to answer the second question.</blockquote>