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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 6572799" data-attributes="member: 463">D&amp;D PCs until 3e were always different from the vast majority of NPCs, who had stat lines like &quot;Normal Man hp 3&quot;, a small number of classed NPC individuals would get full stat blocks. I'm not sure that NPC stat gen methods (rarely used in practice) are a significant difference between pre-3e editions.I think 4e goes much much further than any other edition to treating PCs entirely differently than NPCs, to the extent that 4e NPC stats are only meaningful in relation to the PCs. In pre-4e NPC stats can reasonably be used for NPC/NPC interactions, at least for combat; this generally works poorly in 4e because the stats arenot intended for that purpose. Eg I tried running a 4e mass combat using Minions vs Minions, it created ridiculous effects - because the orc minions for instance got a free attack on death the dwarf minions were deterred from attacking them, and everyone died far too quickly. Conversely a 4e dragon solo vs dragon solo battle is interminable and boring. In pre-4e (or 5e, I think) the monster stats work decently for monster-vs-monster battles.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 6572799, member: 463"] D&D PCs until 3e were always different from the vast majority of NPCs, who had stat lines like "Normal Man hp 3", a small number of classed NPC individuals would get full stat blocks. I'm not sure that NPC stat gen methods (rarely used in practice) are a significant difference between pre-3e editions. I think 4e goes much much further than any other edition to treating PCs entirely differently than NPCs, to the extent that 4e NPC stats are only meaningful in relation to the PCs. In pre-4e NPC stats can reasonably be used for NPC/NPC interactions, at least for combat; this generally works poorly in 4e because the stats are not intended for that purpose. Eg I tried running a 4e mass combat using Minions vs Minions, it created ridiculous effects - because the orc minions for instance got a free attack on death the dwarf minions were deterred from attacking them, and everyone died far too quickly. Conversely a 4e dragon solo vs dragon solo battle is interminable and boring. In pre-4e (or 5e, I think) the monster stats work decently for monster-vs-monster battles. [/QUOTE]

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