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<blockquote data-quote="Balesir" data-source="post: 6573847" data-attributes="member: 27160"><p>That was never what I suggested - please read the original posts.</p><p></p><p>My suggested schema is that success means that you have succeeded (obviously), which means that what you tried was possible, but you don't know much about it. There may be limitations you don't know about, circumstances that affected your success that may be different next time, and so on. Failure means you didn't get what you wanted. Maybe it's impossible. Maybe you just weren't good enough to achieve it. Maybe circumstances were present that made it impossible on this occasion, but in different circumstances it would/could have worked. You just don't know.</p><p></p><p>All this is why I suggested originally that a failure might mean that the next roll for something similar/based on similar principles should be harder; the first failure represents evidence that it might not be possible. An initial success, on the other hand, means you still need to roll next time, because the success might have been dependent on circumstances or something specific you did right (but didn't realise was important at the time).</p><p></p><p>Real science is not determined by single experiments - or even single papers. It works through an accumulating body of evidence formed over many, carefully designed and controlled experiments. A one-off punt isn't going to prove anything, one way or another, but an ongoing series of trials might, as a body of evidence is built up. To this end, you might have something like "for each previous successive failure with a similar task take -2 to your roll" and "for each trial after the first you can choose a specific idea about the limitations/requirements, and if you succeed you get +1 whenever you leverage that feature". Basically, you build up a body of evidence one way or the other, so that, in the end, it's either impossible (with previous successes seen as wild flukes that came about because of unrecognised favourable circumstances) or fully understood (it becomes a spell, or a power, or an ability of some sort).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Balesir, post: 6573847, member: 27160"] That was never what I suggested - please read the original posts. My suggested schema is that success means that you have succeeded (obviously), which means that what you tried was possible, but you don't know much about it. There may be limitations you don't know about, circumstances that affected your success that may be different next time, and so on. Failure means you didn't get what you wanted. Maybe it's impossible. Maybe you just weren't good enough to achieve it. Maybe circumstances were present that made it impossible on this occasion, but in different circumstances it would/could have worked. You just don't know. All this is why I suggested originally that a failure might mean that the next roll for something similar/based on similar principles should be harder; the first failure represents evidence that it might not be possible. An initial success, on the other hand, means you still need to roll next time, because the success might have been dependent on circumstances or something specific you did right (but didn't realise was important at the time). Real science is not determined by single experiments - or even single papers. It works through an accumulating body of evidence formed over many, carefully designed and controlled experiments. A one-off punt isn't going to prove anything, one way or another, but an ongoing series of trials might, as a body of evidence is built up. To this end, you might have something like "for each previous successive failure with a similar task take -2 to your roll" and "for each trial after the first you can choose a specific idea about the limitations/requirements, and if you succeed you get +1 whenever you leverage that feature". Basically, you build up a body of evidence one way or the other, so that, in the end, it's either impossible (with previous successes seen as wild flukes that came about because of unrecognised favourable circumstances) or fully understood (it becomes a spell, or a power, or an ability of some sort). [/QUOTE]
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