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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6574977" data-attributes="member: 82106">Well, and see my post about dragon slaying (granted this was a very corner-case situation where the DM handed us a HUGELY powerful tool without realizing it) where making it work was very much a wizard-game. I don't believe 5e fighters, etc are 'underpowered', they seem potent, but greatly lacking in 'plot power', much as they were in AD&D and 3.x. If you can close with it or perhaps shoot arrows at it, then a problem is well-served by a fighter. Otherwise the fighter AT BEST can deploy the same mundane solution as a caster could. There are perhaps corner cases where the solution is "eat a bunch of damage and still be able to do X" but that's not a really super common type of plan.4e at least mitigated this kind of thing with some fairly fantastical powers, and the ability to take things like skill powers, martial practices, or even rituals and/or alchemy. In 5e rituals are reserved for casters and actually make their spell casting even MORE flexible. I admit, MOST 4e wizards were probably carrying more plot power than most 4e fighters, especially in heroic tier, but it was far less clear cut, and fighter encounter/daily powers definitely at least lent them the ability to really reshape a combat in mid-turn in a significant way, which is harder, IME, in 5e. The other part of that is that with 'rulings not rules' you get a LOT more slippery magic. While magic COULD be open-ended in 4e, the open-ended part of it was more accessible to everyone. In 5e it is much more like AD&D where magic is just entirely the purview of the casters and there are 1001 uses for almost any spell. There were 20 different ways that the DM in our game the other day could have scotched my dragon-killing tactic for instance, but she chose to allow it.</blockquote>

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