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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6575537" data-attributes="member: 82106">Streetwise at least is a legitimate knowledge skill, you can ask questions and the GM can reply "make a Streetwise check for that." In some sense it IS similar in many applications though, and its one of those things some commentators have attacked. I note that 5e eliminated that skill, yet they seem to have not understood WHY there was an argument against it since they introduced Investigation, which is like Streetwise but more so. As I say, the only real function I could see for Investigation would be as a knowledge of investigatory procedure, but does that really belong in D&D, its not Gumshoe! There's another key point here though, 4e has Skill Challenges, and 5e lacks them. At a more abstract level, in an SC if it is so framed, you COULD have skills like Streetwise, Investigation, probably numerous others. In general though I don't think they mesh well with D&D because you'd still want the lower level skills. A noir detective game might well be structured that way however, with more abstracted task resolution and then very specific niche action skills (say Alertness, but no general Perception skill, etc). In any case its a good point. Endurance is the other oddity in 4e, because its basically just a trained ability score. I always thought that other ability scores might equally have something like that. Charisma could have Leadership for instance, but its more just a lack of total consistency than a problem. I can see why the picked out Endurance as the one such skill to include since otherwise CON gets nothing at all, and its a nice skill for fighters and such to pick.</blockquote>

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