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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6575627" data-attributes="member: 82106">Maybe this is a nitpick, but I don't see the 'Forward' in this example. The plot hasn't advanced at all. The character failed and is suffering consequences. Once those consequences have been dealt with the same needs will reassert themselves and presumably the sorcerer will set forth again in another attempt to achieve success at the same task. Perhaps the carpet is defunct now or some other change has come over the situation which obviates the old course of action, but the point is that the failure didn't ADVANCE THE PLOT in any sense. The stock Fail Forward would be for instance a Dungeon World combat where the character attacks a monster and gets a 7, they will take damage based on the monster's damage expression, and then inflict damage in turn. The plot will advance (perhaps only a very tiny bit, but its still advancing). Now, DW doesn't call this a 'failure', they call it 'success with complications', but its in essence the same sort of thing. In DW if you rolled a 6 or less then you get 'abject failure', but the ball is now in the GM's court, so a move of some sort will result. It MIGHT be unrelated to the failure, but it probably won't be. It will probably be some sort of hard move in a melee, but its quite possible that the PC's agenda will advance, just not in a way they will LIKE. "You miss the ogre with your axe stroke and he knocks your character to the side, where you land near the book. In the process you overset the brazier and some of the hot coals have caught the edges of several pages on fire!" A 7 could give the same result but with damage to the ogre.</blockquote>

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