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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6576002" data-attributes="member: 42582">I don't agree. Before the skill challenge, the PCs were at the base of the tower, trying to work out how get back to town with all the books they had found in it.Now, they're in a fight with the hobgoblins who have been lurking in the hills between town and tower, separated (by 250' - not a huge separation in the real world, but a meaningful one in the tactical environment of 4e combat), and having to make sure the hobgoblins don't set fire too, or otherwise damage, their books.Hard/&quot;roadblock&quot; failure would leave the PCs right back where they were - at the base of the tower, wondering how to get their books to town.In the end they never went back to town: the hobgoblins had a chimera with them, which the PCs killed; which drew the wrath of its mother, Calastryx, who flew down from hills to get revenge; who was then killed, and her chaotic energies focused into a magic item as discussed upthread; and also as part of this process (after the mooncalves were fought), a gate was opened to the hills she had flown from, allowing the PCs to step though and assault the hobgoblin army's main camp.So the failed skill challenge definitely kept things moving rather than roadblocking.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6576002, member: 42582"] I don't agree. Before the skill challenge, the PCs were at the base of the tower, trying to work out how get back to town with all the books they had found in it. Now, they're in a fight with the hobgoblins who have been lurking in the hills between town and tower, separated (by 250' - not a huge separation in the real world, but a meaningful one in the tactical environment of 4e combat), and having to make sure the hobgoblins don't set fire too, or otherwise damage, their books. Hard/"roadblock" failure would leave the PCs right back where they were - at the base of the tower, wondering how to get their books to town. In the end they never went back to town: the hobgoblins had a chimera with them, which the PCs killed; which drew the wrath of its mother, Calastryx, who flew down from hills to get revenge; who was then killed, and her chaotic energies focused into a magic item as discussed upthread; and also as part of this process (after the mooncalves were fought), a gate was opened to the hills she had flown from, allowing the PCs to step though and assault the hobgoblin army's main camp. So the failed skill challenge definitely kept things moving rather than roadblocking. [/QUOTE]

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