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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sadras" data-source="post: 6578106" data-attributes="member: 6688277">No it wasn't, but that doesn't mean I didn't experience the 35 minute work day during 4e. So it was better, but marginally so.  I was speaking more along the lines of a longer scenario than a simple skill challenge. I have used and I'm quite familiar with skill challenges for exploration and time constraints. LOL. Reread the synopsis of my campaign instead of making ridiculous examples and trying to supplant then as my own to come off better. I would imagine, back in the 80's you were younger and less experienced than I am now. You took 1000's of hours and I certainly do not take 1000s of hours do draft a forward timeline for 30-50 days. However the above campaign you described is closer to the current campaign-arc I am currently running.I described my campaign how did I miss his point entirely? Through the in-game fiction based on the information the characters become privy too, the players decide which choices are better or worse for their characters.   Perhaps, but your comment seems to suggest that time as a constraint detracts from drama which I don't agree with. Forgive me, but given that your judgment of time as an element in RPG is based on your experiences of over 25 years ago and that you had spent a considerable amount of time in the prep work of that particular game (which I do not), I respectfully do not share your opinion on the matter.  To refresh, this is not about 4e, we were discussing Illusionism. I was asserting that Illusionism includes the fudging of maps. Do you agree or don't you?Following from your comment above, fudging on a die roll might be significant or it might not be. If it is not, do you believe no Illusionism has taken place? How about the Hit Point adjustment of the enemy during combat? Do you perhaps only attribute Illusionism to significant matters?</blockquote>

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