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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6579706" data-attributes="member: 42582">What are you saying is campaign-dependent?Whether or not a bard can sing, or a paladin of the Raven Queen sleep standing up - absolutely that is going to vary from table to table. A bit like how, in Gygax's AD&amp;D, there were no rules for whether a ranger knew how to light a campfire.Extrapolating these sorts of things about our PCs is part and parcel of playing a RPG, I think.That wouldn't have improved my game! All it would have meant was that I never had a PC sing a song to deal with the demon of the Red Grove.The game already has three skills for determining social outcomes: Bluff, Diplomacy and Intimidate. What would introducing a Perform skill do, except reduce what can be done with those existing skills?I'm not sure why you're asking me about this - I've not said anything in the whole thread about tool proficiencies.That said, if what [MENTION=82106]AbdulAlhazred[/MENTION] described upthread is correct - that there is a Perform skill that is separate from Instrument proficiencies - then I find that confusing. If I want to play my guitar nicely, which one do I use?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6579706, member: 42582"] What are you saying is campaign-dependent? Whether or not a bard can sing, or a paladin of the Raven Queen sleep standing up - absolutely that is going to vary from table to table. A bit like how, in Gygax's AD&D, there were no rules for whether a ranger knew how to light a campfire. Extrapolating these sorts of things about our PCs is part and parcel of playing a RPG, I think. That wouldn't have improved my game! All it would have meant was that I never had a PC sing a song to deal with the demon of the Red Grove. The game already has three skills for determining social outcomes: Bluff, Diplomacy and Intimidate. What would introducing a Perform skill do, except reduce what can be done with those existing skills? I'm not sure why you're asking me about this - I've not said anything in the whole thread about tool proficiencies. That said, if what [MENTION=82106]AbdulAlhazred[/MENTION] described upthread is correct - that there is a Perform skill that is separate from Instrument proficiencies - then I find that confusing. If I want to play my guitar nicely, which one do I use? [/QUOTE]

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