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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6580065" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Yeah, I don't mean to sound like I'm being mule-headed or something, but there's no difference in this respect between 4e and any other RPG. The PCs have SOME SORT of agenda, otherwise they wouldn't do anything. Heck, even IRL everyone has some sort of agenda at any given moment. The nature of life is that we need to accomplish things in order to live and reach our other higher aspirations. Its just the nature of the beast. </p><p></p><p>Every character is a protagonist, and every time they attempt to accomplish something they are struggling against some sort of antagonism and there's a dramatic tension. It might be no more than finding something to eat and struggling against the total indifference of the universe, but its still a struggle and entire novels have been written on nothing more than that. </p><p></p><p>You may not be grasping the nature of the beast, but that doesn't mean it isn't there, and those RPG developers who ignore it can only really produce good games in a hit-and-miss fashion since managing drama is the single fundamental functional component of RP. This is fundamentally why earlier games WERE so hit-and-miss, and only later, starting in the 1990's when people began to really address story in the game explicitly did that improve. Nowadays the really proficient designers are quite adept at this stuff, and even many OSR games have subtly incorporated elements to help build and manage story.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 6580065, member: 82106"] Yeah, I don't mean to sound like I'm being mule-headed or something, but there's no difference in this respect between 4e and any other RPG. The PCs have SOME SORT of agenda, otherwise they wouldn't do anything. Heck, even IRL everyone has some sort of agenda at any given moment. The nature of life is that we need to accomplish things in order to live and reach our other higher aspirations. Its just the nature of the beast. Every character is a protagonist, and every time they attempt to accomplish something they are struggling against some sort of antagonism and there's a dramatic tension. It might be no more than finding something to eat and struggling against the total indifference of the universe, but its still a struggle and entire novels have been written on nothing more than that. You may not be grasping the nature of the beast, but that doesn't mean it isn't there, and those RPG developers who ignore it can only really produce good games in a hit-and-miss fashion since managing drama is the single fundamental functional component of RP. This is fundamentally why earlier games WERE so hit-and-miss, and only later, starting in the 1990's when people began to really address story in the game explicitly did that improve. Nowadays the really proficient designers are quite adept at this stuff, and even many OSR games have subtly incorporated elements to help build and manage story. [/QUOTE]
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