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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6608305" data-attributes="member: 82106">Well, there's one big issue, which is that the ritual subsystem is doing double duty in 5e, and that compromises it. Rituals are first of all a mechanism by which casters can avoid both prepping rarely used spells and blowing slots to cast things that are part of their basic function, AND at the same time they're (sort of) a way to give non-casters access to certain basic utility magic. The two categories kinda overlap, but not very well.The result is that many spells which should be rituals for the first purpose (things like hilariously Find Familiar) are NOT rituals because that would make them accessible to characters that the designers obviously felt shouldn't have access to them (sadly for mostly 'fluff' reasons, though often also for niche protection, which are both bad reasons IMHO). 5e's ritual system thus really isn't THAT successful. Its perhaps better than nothing, but it falls rather short of its 4e counterpart. Obviously if you simply state "the DM can house rule anything" then of course you can 'make it work', but that's pretty much exactly the opposite of '5e has a good ritual system', its more like it has a kinda not so good one that you can ignore a lot of.I certainly in no way shape or form think that 5e's ritual system is as good as 4e's. Heck, if anything it isn't even as good in terms of level scaling and cost scaling as the 4e system, which was weak in that area. Honestly its hard to know for sure, since WotC has not bothered to label in the spell lists what is and isn't a ritual, or what its casting costs are exactly. Playing a wizard in 5e requires a LOT of homework, the books leave a lot to be desired organizationally.</blockquote>

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