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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6626446" data-attributes="member: 82106">Yeah, at level 1 maybe you have a marginally effective attack at say Maybe +5 vs AC 1d8+2 damage (assuming you have a 14 STR, which isn't completely out of the question, though a bit of an unusual choice for a build that is DEX secondary and WIS tertiary). Without the STR its a basic +3 vs AC 1d8. Magic Missile is an auto-hit for at least 6 damage (18 INT, 7 damage with a 20). Obviously you can't OA with it and you may not want to use it if you are stuck in someone's face, but there are always options to deal with that, and its hugely buffable. WotST is OK, but it doesn't really give you any significant ability to wield a sword either, its just a (rather obsolete nowadays) way to get longsword as an implement. You're better off just MCing into SwordMage at level 1 if that's all you want, though the actual PP itself isn't terrible and has some cool thematics. You'll just find that the options available in 5e are quite a lot easier to dig into if you want to really seriously do something like this. You can simply make an EK (Eldritch Knight) if you want to be "fighter with a bit of magic", a bard for "serious spellcaster that is good with a sword", arcane trickster for "magical rogue ala Grey Mouser", or blade pact warlock if you want a more balanced mix of casting and swordplay and don't like the bard's thematics (not the very strongest choice mechanically, but it's still no worse than many of the 'not the best' 4e builds). You can also pick the wizard's apprentice background to get just a very minor bit of magic (though the fighter in our game took this and his firebolt is actually pretty nasty, he uses it quite often). None of these options requires more than just one basic choice at level 1, 2, or 3. This really is a HUGE strong point of 5e, I can't emphasize it enough, and frankly its making it kinda hard for me to pry the players in my group back into a 4e game. They just aren't that focused on complex build stuff, they'd MUCH rather select a class, a subclass, and maybe one feat or background and be done. Now, there are a lot of 4e builds that aren't much more complicated than that, but you do always have to pay attention to what you're doing with the next feat, and which power synergizes really well with the build, which items to get, etc if you want to maintain your effectiveness over time. You CAN pick a silly feat or two now and then just for the heck of it or whatever, 4e doesn't generally force you to optimize, but 5e just makes it a non-concern. Whatever path you take the options are small in number but somehow manage to cover the 95% of builds that people actually want.</blockquote>

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