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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6639163" data-attributes="member: 82106">This is all fantastic but you're missing several points:1) Your tactics are great for 'steal cage death match' type adventures where you just endlessly encounter successions of enemies and wipe them out and go on to the next batch with no variation.2) What happens when your ranger runs into a bunch of exploding minions, a leader that can stand back, and/or a controller that can negate your mobility, etc? 3) How do you deal with scenarios that don't require you to murderize everything? Especially ones where doing so is simply impossibly hard and you need other tactics? 4) You paint fighters as if they are weak on damage output. Did you ever really play a GW fighter? One with the feat that adds +WIS to CS attacks perhaps (there are other ways too, but this was the one that worked right OOTB in 2008 with PHB1). 5) There's a lot more difference in toughness between a fighter and a ranger than you seem to imagine. This gets especially critical when the situation isn't one where dealing out vast damage will automatically mitigate said damage. This could be because its an SC, or it could be because of auras, terrain, etc in a combat, or it could just be that the idea is just to hold off the enemy for 3 rounds while you accomplish X.6) What about terrain? What if there's a chokepoint and the fighter can stuff it up, but good luck having the ranger survive doing that. How about if there's a cliff and pushing the enemy off it is a LOT better than MOAR DAMAGE! What if there are 12 rather weak enemies and you can't kill them in one blow, but you also can't pull out an AoE or a zone or even be sticky enough to stop 3 of them yourself for a round? There's a HELL of a lot of situations where a party full of nothing but rangers isn't going to cut it. We all ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE with you that if all you do is endlessly fight basic encounter templates in sphereworld where no other considerations apply that sure enough you can create one sort of character build that is so super optimized to that one situation that it will outperform all others, and its pretty likely to be either a chargebarian, a battlefield archer, or some variant of warlock or rogue that probably uses some sort of charge optimization too, or a radiant mafia or a frost cheeze mob. ho-hum. You won't survive level 1 with that fixation in MY campaign. Really, your party WILL need other tools.</blockquote>

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