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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 7016944" data-attributes="member: 82106">Right, but by 4e RAW its pretty clear. Anything that doesn't involve an Initiative check and thus initiation of a combat encounter is NOT combat, and thus any movement in such a scenario is technically 'traveling'. This is even more so in the sense that 4e tries to de-emphasize all the various 'how did we get from here to there' stuff and often its abstracted into a check or an SC. I don't think anyone would suggest that Traveler's Camouflage wouldn't work in SCs, so...Obviously its not a combat spell, that would be relegated to powers generally speaking, but its HUGE for AVOIDING combat and getting past things like patrols or even gate guards (though I always interpreted it to mean that you had to be able to use Stealth, you can't simply walk through a gate and not be seen in plain daylight, at least not unless you are a higher level rogue or warlock or something perhaps). Actually its application to warlocks in such situations seems interesting, as they have a number of ways to invoke their &quot;I have cover even though there is none&quot;, and obviously with Rogues using things like Hide in Plain Sight. Again, these are reasons this struck me as an especially powerful ritual. What it does comes up OFTEN and can be adventure-changing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 7016944, member: 82106"] Right, but by 4e RAW its pretty clear. Anything that doesn't involve an Initiative check and thus initiation of a combat encounter is NOT combat, and thus any movement in such a scenario is technically 'traveling'. This is even more so in the sense that 4e tries to de-emphasize all the various 'how did we get from here to there' stuff and often its abstracted into a check or an SC. I don't think anyone would suggest that Traveler's Camouflage wouldn't work in SCs, so... Obviously its not a combat spell, that would be relegated to powers generally speaking, but its HUGE for AVOIDING combat and getting past things like patrols or even gate guards (though I always interpreted it to mean that you had to be able to use Stealth, you can't simply walk through a gate and not be seen in plain daylight, at least not unless you are a higher level rogue or warlock or something perhaps). Actually its application to warlocks in such situations seems interesting, as they have a number of ways to invoke their "I have cover even though there is none", and obviously with Rogues using things like Hide in Plain Sight. Again, these are reasons this struck me as an especially powerful ritual. What it does comes up OFTEN and can be adventure-changing. [/QUOTE]

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