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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 8510190" data-attributes="member: 58172"><p>I was checking out the Hebrew original (Isaiah 3.2):</p><p></p><p>גִּבּוֹר וְאִישׁ מִלְחָמָה שׁוֹפֵט וְנָבִיא וְקֹסֵם וְזָקֵֽן</p><p></p><p>I would translate this as:</p><p></p><p>"Hero and soldier of war, judge and prophet and enchanter (wizard!), and elder".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The "enchanter", Kosem קֺסֵם , relates to divination, whence enchantment, magic, and wizardry. It reminds me of the Middle English term "fairie", meaning magic, but deriving from "fate". Fortelling a fate came to associate using words to alter fate, whence speaking to produce magical effects. Specifically, the Kosem uses various techniques to self-induce a trance, and then speaks a fate while in the trance.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Magi = "mage" = magic-user</strong></p><p></p><p>Relating to the original post, The Bible setting features the three "magi" that visit Jesus when he was a child. Going by the Greek term Magos, it is ambiguous whether this refers to the Magu, who is a member of a Zoroastrian priestly sacred caste in Iran, or else refers to the Magos, who is a "mage" in various places across the Hellenistic world. In his encyclopedic work, Naturalis Historia, Plinius hates the Hellenistic mages and describes them in some detail. They seem to use protoscientific methods that exploit the magical properties that are inherent in natural objects.</p><p></p><p>Are the "Magi" of the New Testamant to be understood as Iranian Magu priests or else Hellenistic Magos magic-users?</p><p></p><p>Judging by the Septuagint Greek translation of the Book of Daniel, the Greek term Magos is used to translate the Hebrew-and-Aramaic term Ashaf אשף , which is a member of the imperial court in Babylon. From this textual source, the story of the Magi probably refers to the Ashaf, and doesnt refer to the Zoroastrian Magu priest.</p><p></p><p>In other words, the three magi are literally three "mages". Probably from in or around Babylon. The New Testament describes them using astronomy, astrology, and dream interpretation, as examples of the magical techniques these Babylonian mages were known for. Astrology is central to Babylonian cosmology. And these three magi are probably Babylonian versions of Hellenistic mages. The magi are magic-users.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 8510190, member: 58172"] I was checking out the Hebrew original (Isaiah 3.2): גִּבּוֹר וְאִישׁ מִלְחָמָה שׁוֹפֵט וְנָבִיא וְקֹסֵם וְזָקֵֽן I would translate this as: "Hero and soldier of war, judge and prophet and enchanter (wizard!), and elder". The "enchanter", Kosem קֺסֵם , relates to divination, whence enchantment, magic, and wizardry. It reminds me of the Middle English term "fairie", meaning magic, but deriving from "fate". Fortelling a fate came to associate using words to alter fate, whence speaking to produce magical effects. Specifically, the Kosem uses various techniques to self-induce a trance, and then speaks a fate while in the trance. [B]Magi = "mage" = magic-user[/B] Relating to the original post, The Bible setting features the three "magi" that visit Jesus when he was a child. Going by the Greek term Magos, it is ambiguous whether this refers to the Magu, who is a member of a Zoroastrian priestly sacred caste in Iran, or else refers to the Magos, who is a "mage" in various places across the Hellenistic world. In his encyclopedic work, Naturalis Historia, Plinius hates the Hellenistic mages and describes them in some detail. They seem to use protoscientific methods that exploit the magical properties that are inherent in natural objects. Are the "Magi" of the New Testamant to be understood as Iranian Magu priests or else Hellenistic Magos magic-users? Judging by the Septuagint Greek translation of the Book of Daniel, the Greek term Magos is used to translate the Hebrew-and-Aramaic term Ashaf אשף , which is a member of the imperial court in Babylon. From this textual source, the story of the Magi probably refers to the Ashaf, and doesnt refer to the Zoroastrian Magu priest. In other words, the three magi are literally three "mages". Probably from in or around Babylon. The New Testament describes them using astronomy, astrology, and dream interpretation, as examples of the magical techniques these Babylonian mages were known for. Astrology is central to Babylonian cosmology. And these three magi are probably Babylonian versions of Hellenistic mages. The magi are magic-users. [/QUOTE]
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