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The Big Picture: Psions Versus Sorcerers
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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2729374" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Haste does do this and I did not say Sorcerers could not do it. I said it is more rare.</p><p></p><p>But, consider:</p><p></p><p>1) Psions can do Quicken Power. Sorcerers cannot do Quicken Spell.</p><p></p><p>2) Time Hop can be used to push an opponent into the future. In our game, it is used to push BBEGs into the future so that we can mop up their allies (if they have allies) and then mop up the BBEG when he comes back. Against a single opponent at 5th level, it can give you 4 PCs * 5 rounds per PC -1 (the psion only gets 4 rounds of additional actions) = 19 extra actions (or more if you have more allies). At 10th level, this jumps up to 39 extra actions. Against multiple opponents, each successful use of it removes 1 round / level rounds of opponent actions (which effectively gives the PCs more overall actions).</p><p></p><p>3) Haste is melee attacks only and it is the only example you gave under 9th level. All of these powers (and the Quicken Power feat) can be used to manifest additional powers. That's typically stronger than additional melee attacks.</p><p></p><p>4) Just because two of my examples are discipline specfic does not mean that Psions cannot get them.</p><p></p><p>5) Temporal Acceleration occurs 6 levels earlier than Time Stop. 6 levels earlier is a significant advantage, even if it is not quite as powerful early on.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is a definite Psion edge.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2729374, member: 2011"] Haste does do this and I did not say Sorcerers could not do it. I said it is more rare. But, consider: 1) Psions can do Quicken Power. Sorcerers cannot do Quicken Spell. 2) Time Hop can be used to push an opponent into the future. In our game, it is used to push BBEGs into the future so that we can mop up their allies (if they have allies) and then mop up the BBEG when he comes back. Against a single opponent at 5th level, it can give you 4 PCs * 5 rounds per PC -1 (the psion only gets 4 rounds of additional actions) = 19 extra actions (or more if you have more allies). At 10th level, this jumps up to 39 extra actions. Against multiple opponents, each successful use of it removes 1 round / level rounds of opponent actions (which effectively gives the PCs more overall actions). 3) Haste is melee attacks only and it is the only example you gave under 9th level. All of these powers (and the Quicken Power feat) can be used to manifest additional powers. That's typically stronger than additional melee attacks. 4) Just because two of my examples are discipline specfic does not mean that Psions cannot get them. 5) Temporal Acceleration occurs 6 levels earlier than Time Stop. 6 levels earlier is a significant advantage, even if it is not quite as powerful early on. This is a definite Psion edge. [/QUOTE]
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