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<blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 2729778" data-attributes="member: 16285"><p>Sorry, I assume too often that I’m dealing with a native English speaking group instead of an international one where English is not a native language. “Vice” in this context does mean “instead of”, while “versus or vs. means a comparision between two things – just in case I slip that one in accidentally.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What? He has more powers to choose from at each level?</p><p></p><p>161 total powers (not counting discipline). Depending on the discipline the psion gets between 12-20 more (average say 15) for a total of 176.</p><p>1st level – 42</p><p>2nd level – 29</p><p>3rd level – 22</p><p>4th level – 17</p><p>5th level – 12</p><p>6th level – 12</p><p>7th level – 12</p><p>8th level – 8</p><p>9th level – 7</p><p></p><p>Sorcerer</p><p>370 total spells</p><p>0 level – 19</p><p>1st level – 39</p><p>2nd level – 50</p><p>3rd level – 42</p><p>4th level – 41</p><p>5th level – 43</p><p>6th level – 43</p><p>7th level – 34</p><p>8th level – 35</p><p>9th level - 24</p><p></p><p>Psion gets more 1st level powers but he doesn’t get any 0 level ones so combine the two for a sorcerer to get 58 equivalent 1st level powers.</p><p></p><p>So the numbers just don’t back up your statement.</p><p></p><p>The psion can know more powers of any given level than a sorcerer can spells, but not more total at any time.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What do you mean by more rare?</p><p>I mean you are constantly saying that a psion has a choice in his powers, well then so does a sorcerer. So rarity doesn’t play into this issue at all.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>True</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ghost touch (2nd level) – paralyzes opponent</p><p></p><p>Slow (3rd level) - reduces opponents actions</p><p></p><p>Hold Person (3rd level) – Paralyzed opponent</p><p></p><p></p><p>How about the power word spells?</p><p></p><p>Talk about overpowering.</p><p></p><p>Power Word, Blind (7th level).</p><p></p><p>Power Word, Stun (8th level)</p><p></p><p>No saves.</p><p></p><p>Just a few off the top of my head. Any spell or power that reduces your opponent’s actions will increase the number you get to take. Multiply those extra actions by the number of allies present.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Haste also increase AC, movement and reflex saving throws as well as affecting multiple allies from the first casting (1 per level – 6 at 6th level sorcerer). They then get more attacks. . . </p><p></p><p>Or better yet try the effects of Slow.</p><p>Affected creatures (again 1/caster level) can take either a standard action or a move action but not both in addition to the AC, movement and reflex save penalties.</p><p></p><p>While it won’t stop a caster from getting off a standard action spell it will prevent him from casting and moving. Also the wording says he “can take only a single move action or standard action each turn” so that means, at least to me that he can’t even take a swift action because of the spell text wording.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But only one or the other and not both.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>True but compare it to say Hold Person (3rd level) that prevents the opponent from acting – hence giving the caster more spellcasting.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="irdeggman, post: 2729778, member: 16285"] Sorry, I assume too often that I’m dealing with a native English speaking group instead of an international one where English is not a native language. “Vice” in this context does mean “instead of”, while “versus or vs. means a comparision between two things – just in case I slip that one in accidentally. What? He has more powers to choose from at each level? 161 total powers (not counting discipline). Depending on the discipline the psion gets between 12-20 more (average say 15) for a total of 176. 1st level – 42 2nd level – 29 3rd level – 22 4th level – 17 5th level – 12 6th level – 12 7th level – 12 8th level – 8 9th level – 7 Sorcerer 370 total spells 0 level – 19 1st level – 39 2nd level – 50 3rd level – 42 4th level – 41 5th level – 43 6th level – 43 7th level – 34 8th level – 35 9th level - 24 Psion gets more 1st level powers but he doesn’t get any 0 level ones so combine the two for a sorcerer to get 58 equivalent 1st level powers. So the numbers just don’t back up your statement. The psion can know more powers of any given level than a sorcerer can spells, but not more total at any time. What do you mean by more rare? I mean you are constantly saying that a psion has a choice in his powers, well then so does a sorcerer. So rarity doesn’t play into this issue at all. True Ghost touch (2nd level) – paralyzes opponent Slow (3rd level) - reduces opponents actions Hold Person (3rd level) – Paralyzed opponent How about the power word spells? Talk about overpowering. Power Word, Blind (7th level). Power Word, Stun (8th level) No saves. Just a few off the top of my head. Any spell or power that reduces your opponent’s actions will increase the number you get to take. Multiply those extra actions by the number of allies present. Haste also increase AC, movement and reflex saving throws as well as affecting multiple allies from the first casting (1 per level – 6 at 6th level sorcerer). They then get more attacks. . . Or better yet try the effects of Slow. Affected creatures (again 1/caster level) can take either a standard action or a move action but not both in addition to the AC, movement and reflex save penalties. While it won’t stop a caster from getting off a standard action spell it will prevent him from casting and moving. Also the wording says he “can take only a single move action or standard action each turn” so that means, at least to me that he can’t even take a swift action because of the spell text wording. But only one or the other and not both. True but compare it to say Hold Person (3rd level) that prevents the opponent from acting – hence giving the caster more spellcasting. [/QUOTE]
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