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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 2730479" data-attributes="member: 29014">The point is that GSP would be better or as good for a Psion than GPP in most situations.  Therefore, GPP must not be overpowered compared to GSP.In fact, the idea of "pay two feats and when you find a tough SR, you can spend your focus to get a really good bonus against it, but then you can't use the focus for anything else" is silly compared to "pay two feats and always raise your chance against SR by a nice amount, and if you find a tough SR, use a power that doesn't give SR and boost your power with some other use of focus."But, all that said, though I find my comparison more valid because it controls for more variables by using two Psions, I am perfectly happy to do a completely RAW comparison between Sorcerer and Psion if you'd prefer, using your "Can't take any other feats" viewpoint also.  Here goes:Sorcerer and Psion:  The only feats each of them has are SP & GSP for the Sorcerer and PP& GPP for the Psion.  All examples are taken until the monster is dead from average damage.  Since I'm not using Metamagic or Metapsionics, it is sufficient to prove for one level of the Psion and Sorcerer, instead of several.  It is assumed that all saves are failed because we aren't worrying baout DCs. Example 1: Psion 10 and Sorcerer 10 vs opponent vs CR 8 Young Adult White Dragon SR 16 142 HPRound 1:Psion uses GPP does 35 damage Sorcerer does 31.5 damage.All Other Rounds:Psion realises that he's better off never recovering focus because his feat is so bad, so he just does 24.5 damage. If he had tried to recover focus, that takes a full round, so he only does average of 17.5 damage per round.Sorcerer does 31.5 damage. Advantage Sorcerer!Example 2: Psion 10 and Sorcerer 10 vs opponent vs CR 10 Adult White Dragon SR 18 189 HPRound 1:Psion uses GPP does 35 damage Sorcerer does 28 damage.All Other Rounds:Psion realises that he's better off never recovering focus because his feat is so bad, so he just does 21 damage.  If he had tried to recover focus, that takes a full round, so he only does average of 17.5 damage per round.Sorcerer does 28 damage. Advantage Sorcerer!Example 3: Psion 10 and Sorcerer 10 vs opponent vs CR 14 Adult Blue Dragon SR 21 241 HPRound 1:Psion uses GPP does 31.5 damage Sorcerer does 24.5 damage.All Other Rounds:Psion realises that he's better off never recovering focus because his feat is so bad, so he just does 17.5 damage per round.  If he had tried to recover focus, that takes a full round, so he only does average of 15.75 damage per round.Sorcerer does 24.5 damage. Advantage Sorcerer!Example 4: Psion 10 and Sorcerer 10 vs opponent vs CR 18 Mature Adult Red Dragon SR 23 312 HPRound 1:Psion uses GPP does 28 damage Sorcerer does 21 damage.All Other Rounds:Whether or not the Psion refocuses, he does 14 damage per round.Sorcerer does 21 damage. Advantage Sorcerer!Example 5: Psion 10 and Sorcerer 10 vs opponent vs CR 19 Very Old Blue Dragon SR 25 375 HPRound 1:Psion uses GPP does 24.5 damage Sorcerer does 17.5 damage.All Other Rounds:Psion refocuses every other round, and he does 12.25 damage per round.Sorcerer does 17.5 damage. Advantage Sorcerer!Example 6: Psion 10 and Sorcerer 10 vs opponent vs CR 21 Ancient Blue Dragon SR 27 445 HPRound 1:Psion uses GPP does 21 damage Sorcerer does 14 damage.All Other Rounds:Whether or not the Psion refocuses every other round, he does 10.5 damage per round.Sorcerer does 14 damage. Advantage Sorcerer!Example 7: Psion 10 and Sorcerer 10 vs opponent vs CR 23 Wyrm Blue Dragon SR 29 522 HPRound 1:Psion uses GPP does 17.5 damage Sorcerer does 10.5 damage.All Other Rounds:Psion refocuses every other round, he does 8.75 damage per round.Sorcerer does 10.5 damage. Advantage Sorcerer!Example 8: Psion 10 and Sorcerer 10 vs opponent vs CR 25 Great Wyrm Red Dragon SR 31 565 HPRound 1:Psion uses GPP does 14 damage Sorcerer does 7 damage.All Other Rounds:Psion refocuses, he does 7 damage per round on average (starting with 0 on round 2, so this cancels out with the 14 earlier).Sorcerer does 7 damage. Advantage Tie!</blockquote>

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