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The Big Picture: Psions Versus Sorcerers
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<blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 2732362" data-attributes="member: 16285"><p>Psion powers with exp cost</p><p></p><p>4th level (1 out of 17)</p><p>5th level (1 out of 12)</p><p>6th level (1 out of 12)</p><p>7th level (1 out of 12)</p><p>8th level (2 out of 8)</p><p>9th level (2 out of 7)</p><p></p><p>Total: 8 out of 161</p><p></p><p>Discipline Specific Powers with exp costs:</p><p>5 out of 6 disciplines have disciplines specific powers with exp costs with the telepath having the most.</p><p></p><p>Egoist:</p><p>5th level – 1</p><p>8th level – 1</p><p>9th level - 1</p><p></p><p>Shaper:</p><p>9th level – 2</p><p></p><p>Seer:</p><p>4th level – 1</p><p>9th level - 1</p><p></p><p>Telepath:</p><p>6th level – 1</p><p>8th level – 1</p><p>9th level – 2</p><p></p><p>Nomad:</p><p>9th level - 1</p><p></p><p>Psychic Reformation</p><p>Level: Psion/wilder 4</p><p>Power Points: 7, XP; see text</p><p>XP Cost: This power costs 50 XP to manifest to reformat choices made when the character reached her current level. For each additional previous level into which the revision reaches, the power costs an additional 50 XP. The manifester and subject split all XP costs evenly.</p><p></p><p>Incarnate</p><p>Level: Psion/wilder 5</p><p>Power Points: 9, XP (500 to 2,000)</p><p></p><p>Contingency, Psionic</p><p>Level: Psion/wilder 6</p><p>Power Points: 11, XP (15)</p><p></p><p>Sequester, Psionic</p><p>Level: Psion/wilder 7</p><p>Power Points: 13, XP</p><p>XP Cost: 75 XP</p><p></p><p>Bend Reality</p><p>Level: Psion/wilder 8</p><p>Power Points: 15, XP (300+)</p><p></p><p>Matter Manipulation</p><p>Level: Psion/wilder 8</p><p>Power Points: 15, XP (250/hardness point)</p><p></p><p>Apopsi</p><p>Level: Psion/wilder 9</p><p>Power Points: 17, XP (50/level of power deleted)</p><p></p><p>Reality Revision</p><p>Level: Psion/wilder 9</p><p>Power Points: 17, XP (5,000+)</p><p></p><p>Discipline specific powers:</p><p></p><p>Psionic Revivify</p><p>Level: Egoist 5</p><p>Power Points: 9, XP (200+)</p><p></p><p>Fusion</p><p>Level: Egoist 8</p><p>Power Points: 15, XP (50)</p><p></p><p>Metamorphosis, Greater</p><p>Level: Egoist 9</p><p>Power Points: 17, XP (200)</p><p></p><p>Genesis</p><p>Level: Shaper 9</p><p>Power Points: 17, XP (1,000)</p><p></p><p>True Creation</p><p>Level: Shaper 9</p><p>Power Points: 17, XP (1/5 gp value, 1+)</p><p></p><p>Remote Viewing</p><p>Level: Seer 4</p><p>Power Points: 7, XP (20)</p><p></p><p>Metafaculty</p><p>Level: Seer 9</p><p>Power Points: 17, XP (1,000)</p><p></p><p>Mind Switch</p><p>Level: Telepath 6</p><p>Power Points: 11, XP (100)</p><p></p><p>Mind Seed</p><p>Level: Telepath 8</p><p>Power Points: 15, XP (3,000)</p><p></p><p>Mind Switch, True</p><p>Level: Telepath 9</p><p>Power Points: 17, XP (10,000)</p><p></p><p>Psychic Chirurgery</p><p>Level: Telepath 9</p><p>Power Points: 17, XP (1000 x level of power implanted)</p><p></p><p>Time Regression</p><p>Level: Nomad 9</p><p>Power Points: 17, XP (1,000)</p><p></p><p> </p><p>Sorcerer spells with exp cost</p><p></p><p></p><p>5th level (1 out of 43)</p><p>7th level (3 out of 35)</p><p>9th level (2 out of 24)</p><p>Total 6 out of 370</p><p></p><p></p><p>Permanency</p><p>Level: Sor/Wiz 5</p><p>Components: V, S, XP (500 – 4,500)</p><p></p><p>Limited Wish</p><p>Level: Sor/Wiz 7</p><p>Components: V, S, XP (300 +)</p><p></p><p>Simulacrum</p><p>Level: Sor/Wiz 7</p><p>Components: V, S, M, XP (100/HD of simulacrum, minimum 1,000)</p><p></p><p>Vision</p><p>Level: Sor/Wiz 7</p><p>Components: V, S, M, XP (100)</p><p></p><p>Gate</p><p>Level: Clr 9, Sor/Wiz 9</p><p>Components: V, S, XP(1,000 when calling a creature only)</p><p></p><p>Wish</p><p>Level: Sor/Wiz 9</p><p>Components: V, XP (5,000)</p><p></p><p></p><p>So psions have 8 (not counting discipline specific powers with exp costs). Depending on the discipline the psion can end up with from 8 to 12.</p><p></p><p>Sorcerers have 6.</p><p></p><p>Pretty close unless you count them as a percentage of powers/spells then it goes something like this.</p><p></p><p>Sorcerers have 6 out 370 spells with exp costs. {1.6 % of total spells}</p><p></p><p>Psions have between 8 and 12 out of somewhere around 177 (I used an average of 16 powers per discipline) {4.5 to 6.8 %}. More than double the percentage.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="irdeggman, post: 2732362, member: 16285"] Psion powers with exp cost 4th level (1 out of 17) 5th level (1 out of 12) 6th level (1 out of 12) 7th level (1 out of 12) 8th level (2 out of 8) 9th level (2 out of 7) Total: 8 out of 161 Discipline Specific Powers with exp costs: 5 out of 6 disciplines have disciplines specific powers with exp costs with the telepath having the most. Egoist: 5th level – 1 8th level – 1 9th level - 1 Shaper: 9th level – 2 Seer: 4th level – 1 9th level - 1 Telepath: 6th level – 1 8th level – 1 9th level – 2 Nomad: 9th level - 1 Psychic Reformation Level: Psion/wilder 4 Power Points: 7, XP; see text XP Cost: This power costs 50 XP to manifest to reformat choices made when the character reached her current level. For each additional previous level into which the revision reaches, the power costs an additional 50 XP. The manifester and subject split all XP costs evenly. Incarnate Level: Psion/wilder 5 Power Points: 9, XP (500 to 2,000) Contingency, Psionic Level: Psion/wilder 6 Power Points: 11, XP (15) Sequester, Psionic Level: Psion/wilder 7 Power Points: 13, XP XP Cost: 75 XP Bend Reality Level: Psion/wilder 8 Power Points: 15, XP (300+) Matter Manipulation Level: Psion/wilder 8 Power Points: 15, XP (250/hardness point) Apopsi Level: Psion/wilder 9 Power Points: 17, XP (50/level of power deleted) Reality Revision Level: Psion/wilder 9 Power Points: 17, XP (5,000+) Discipline specific powers: Psionic Revivify Level: Egoist 5 Power Points: 9, XP (200+) Fusion Level: Egoist 8 Power Points: 15, XP (50) Metamorphosis, Greater Level: Egoist 9 Power Points: 17, XP (200) Genesis Level: Shaper 9 Power Points: 17, XP (1,000) True Creation Level: Shaper 9 Power Points: 17, XP (1/5 gp value, 1+) Remote Viewing Level: Seer 4 Power Points: 7, XP (20) Metafaculty Level: Seer 9 Power Points: 17, XP (1,000) Mind Switch Level: Telepath 6 Power Points: 11, XP (100) Mind Seed Level: Telepath 8 Power Points: 15, XP (3,000) Mind Switch, True Level: Telepath 9 Power Points: 17, XP (10,000) Psychic Chirurgery Level: Telepath 9 Power Points: 17, XP (1000 x level of power implanted) Time Regression Level: Nomad 9 Power Points: 17, XP (1,000) Sorcerer spells with exp cost 5th level (1 out of 43) 7th level (3 out of 35) 9th level (2 out of 24) Total 6 out of 370 Permanency Level: Sor/Wiz 5 Components: V, S, XP (500 – 4,500) Limited Wish Level: Sor/Wiz 7 Components: V, S, XP (300 +) Simulacrum Level: Sor/Wiz 7 Components: V, S, M, XP (100/HD of simulacrum, minimum 1,000) Vision Level: Sor/Wiz 7 Components: V, S, M, XP (100) Gate Level: Clr 9, Sor/Wiz 9 Components: V, S, XP(1,000 when calling a creature only) Wish Level: Sor/Wiz 9 Components: V, XP (5,000) So psions have 8 (not counting discipline specific powers with exp costs). Depending on the discipline the psion can end up with from 8 to 12. Sorcerers have 6. Pretty close unless you count them as a percentage of powers/spells then it goes something like this. Sorcerers have 6 out 370 spells with exp costs. {1.6 % of total spells} Psions have between 8 and 12 out of somewhere around 177 (I used an average of 16 powers per discipline) {4.5 to 6.8 %}. More than double the percentage. [/QUOTE]
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