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The Big Picture: Psions Versus Sorcerers
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<blockquote data-quote="Dinkeldog" data-source="post: 2732870" data-attributes="member: 195"><p>So the first assumption is that each merit of the sorcerer has the same weight as the merit of a psion.</p><p></p><p>Here's a list that might help, since you break out "the psion gets a bonus feat at level 5, 10, 15, and 20," into 4 merits for the psion.</p><p></p><p>The sorcerer does not need to expend a feat to gain fireball.</p><p></p><p>The sorcerer does not need to expend a feat to gain polymorph self.</p><p></p><p>The sorcerer is able to take polymorph other.</p><p></p><p>The sorcerer is able to take baleful polymorph.</p><p></p><p>The sorcerer does not need to expend a feat to gain Monster Summoning at any level.</p><p></p><p>The sorcerer does not need to expend a feat to gain fly.</p><p></p><p>The sorcerer does not need to expend a feat to gain Charm Person (or Charm Monster)</p><p></p><p>The sorcerer is able to have both Wish and Shapechange (a combination which no psion can ever have.)</p><p></p><p>There's 8.</p><p></p><p>And you haven't mentioned that the sorcerer's primary stat of CHA synergizes with the Leadership feat.</p><p></p><p>Or that a sorcerer can use an arcane scroll that mimics any sorcerer spell, so that two sorcerers can always create scrolls for each other, but two psions cannot always share encoded stones that they've created.</p><p></p><p>Or that Time Stop, when the sorcerer gets it, lasts for 1d4+1 rounds while the psion's version comes earlier, but can only last for 3 rounds at most fully augmented (requiring the psion to expend power points as on an equivalent level spell).</p><p></p><p>Ultimately, I think what we're going to do is come to an impasse where the people that walked in with the assumption that the psion was overpowered will walk away with the assumption that the psion was overpowered, while those who walked in thinking the psion is appropriately balanced will walk away with that same notion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dinkeldog, post: 2732870, member: 195"] So the first assumption is that each merit of the sorcerer has the same weight as the merit of a psion. Here's a list that might help, since you break out "the psion gets a bonus feat at level 5, 10, 15, and 20," into 4 merits for the psion. The sorcerer does not need to expend a feat to gain fireball. The sorcerer does not need to expend a feat to gain polymorph self. The sorcerer is able to take polymorph other. The sorcerer is able to take baleful polymorph. The sorcerer does not need to expend a feat to gain Monster Summoning at any level. The sorcerer does not need to expend a feat to gain fly. The sorcerer does not need to expend a feat to gain Charm Person (or Charm Monster) The sorcerer is able to have both Wish and Shapechange (a combination which no psion can ever have.) There's 8. And you haven't mentioned that the sorcerer's primary stat of CHA synergizes with the Leadership feat. Or that a sorcerer can use an arcane scroll that mimics any sorcerer spell, so that two sorcerers can always create scrolls for each other, but two psions cannot always share encoded stones that they've created. Or that Time Stop, when the sorcerer gets it, lasts for 1d4+1 rounds while the psion's version comes earlier, but can only last for 3 rounds at most fully augmented (requiring the psion to expend power points as on an equivalent level spell). Ultimately, I think what we're going to do is come to an impasse where the people that walked in with the assumption that the psion was overpowered will walk away with the assumption that the psion was overpowered, while those who walked in thinking the psion is appropriately balanced will walk away with that same notion. [/QUOTE]
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