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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2734426" data-attributes="member: 5777">The number is wrong either way.But, if you are going to count it in that fashion then your comparison point is rendered void. At the very least you should put in a qualifier otherwise it is completely misleading.Blindness/Deafness, Blur, charm monster, mass charm monster, contact other plane, darkness, dimension door, displacement, feather fall, flare, lesser geas, geas/quest, irresistable dance, knock, light, disjunction, phase door, power word blind, power word kill, power word stun, prismatic sphere, shout, suggestion, teleport, teleportation circle, time stop, tongues, true strike, Ventriloquism, wail of the banshee, and wish.Decent spell list, a sorc could have a rather large portion of his spells be lacking in the somatic component and still have a pretty good spell list. Especially for a combat oriented sorc. Take off the armor, put up a few long lasting spells which have somatic components, put it back on and have a decent amount of spells to use otherwise.But, it wouldnt matter even if there was only a single spell that didnt have somatic, it is an important distinction to note. yeah, it was discussed, but it wasnt changed therefore the issue still exists.Since you are making these up yourself I dont care much where you lump them.Choice vs. lack of choice. Heighten has some extra bonuses. The scaling issue with augmentation is made up for in other areas as well.There are a lot of balance issues here.We are looking for the overall picture here, so ignoring things just makes it not work very well.Since when are we looking for equal? I was saying that if you mention one you have to mention the other. To do otherwise is to make the comparison useless.insufficiently, especially as you apparently copied just the 'list' but not the 'explanation' into the other thread.Some new points, some points of contention, and a few areas which have to be cleared up for the list to even be useful at all.This thread is far from complete if you want to use its results elsewhere. If you really want to have a decent list with which to base conclusions off of it needs to be done properly.</blockquote>

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