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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2734483" data-attributes="member: 5777">162 choices plus an average of 16 from the discipline.So yes, saying otherwise is misleading.There is a method to get some extra powers but at a later level and with a heavy cost and this has to be taken into account.Although, even if that wasnt the case, the sheer number of spells that the sorc has access to allows for a greater combination of abilities and therefore can make for a larger amount of power.And I guess that all depends on how you look at 'an entire different class' and 'access'. After all, there are spells that both bards and sorcs can use and they are different classes.If we look to sources other than the core then we have extra spell and domain access and a few others.Other than, say, clerics?These are important distinctions. Your disdain of them only shows that your conclusion will be flawed. Yes, it is important.To ignore it is to invalidate the comparison.Nor should it. But arent we trying to see the big picture here?Ignoring important items ignores the big picture.From the rest of your post it looks like you arent actually interested in the big picture. Unfortunate.Hopefully no one will take this thread seriously until it gets rounded out properly.</blockquote>