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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Khorod" data-source="post: 330912" data-attributes="member: 1636">I agree with a ritual, and I think the template should be +0 or +1 at most.  The template balances out some benefits: possibly immune to compulsions not of the Taker, etc, with things like forced Chaotic alignment, and automatically failing all saving throws to compulsion spells from the Taker.Well, maybe not chaotic- but all of the taken were mad, though many seemed lawful until they turned around and did completely psychotic things.I am of the impression that one of the magical abilities/spells/etc.  that most spellcasters pursued was longevity and survival oriented.  One-eye and Goblin were able to extend their lives, Goblin to well past a century, One-eye probably close to two.Lady simply froze herself in time, being a supreme master of the longevity trick, and able to maintain it somewhat with even a modicum of power.But most of the older Taken carried the trick into what looks a little like a Lich state- they were not undead, so much as their physical forms were being carried more by their will and magic than by any biological needs.  So Soulcatcher could be beheaded, Limper could be killed every which way, etc.So I think the template people are thinking of is not having been Taken, but having the BC version of the Lich template, possibly led to by a prestige class that takes one through longevity, into immunities, and up into a quasi-undead state.  And considering how much power mortal spellcasters must spend on defense, that's how much freed up power a lich-like archmage can free up.</blockquote>

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