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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 5231838" data-attributes="member: 2205"><p>Fair enough, but I think you might be misunderstanding me. I'm not a big fan of the Great Wheel, but its philosophical underpinnings with the D&D 9-point alignment system (with hybrid planes between each point on the 9-point system) is pretty obvious. If you want to have a cosmology with different philosophical underpinnings, you're probably better off coming up with a new cosmology.</p><p></p><p>My only point was that saying that this new underpinning <em>already works</em> under the Great Wheel is unconvincing. It requires some dubious assignments to make it work, such as Hell being equivalent to rage. Or the assignment of Pandemonium to "Spookiness" while simultaneously admitting that the English language lacks a good word to describe the specific emotion he's looking for.</p><p></p><p>I find the exercise not unlike August Derleth's attempts to categorize the Old Ones under and elemental scheme, where he had to give some highly dubious assignments, and then make up nearly 100% new Old Ones to fill the gaps. More likely, it just wasn't a good fit to the cosmology to begin with. I see the same thing here.</p><p></p><p>Why is contempt Gehenna and not Baator? Why is horror Tartarus and not the Abyss?</p><p></p><p>No good reason. Just because they need to be in order to fit the structure that is being imposed on them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 5231838, member: 2205"] Fair enough, but I think you might be misunderstanding me. I'm not a big fan of the Great Wheel, but its philosophical underpinnings with the D&D 9-point alignment system (with hybrid planes between each point on the 9-point system) is pretty obvious. If you want to have a cosmology with different philosophical underpinnings, you're probably better off coming up with a new cosmology. My only point was that saying that this new underpinning [I]already works[/I] under the Great Wheel is unconvincing. It requires some dubious assignments to make it work, such as Hell being equivalent to rage. Or the assignment of Pandemonium to "Spookiness" while simultaneously admitting that the English language lacks a good word to describe the specific emotion he's looking for. I find the exercise not unlike August Derleth's attempts to categorize the Old Ones under and elemental scheme, where he had to give some highly dubious assignments, and then make up nearly 100% new Old Ones to fill the gaps. More likely, it just wasn't a good fit to the cosmology to begin with. I see the same thing here. Why is contempt Gehenna and not Baator? Why is horror Tartarus and not the Abyss? No good reason. Just because they need to be in order to fit the structure that is being imposed on them. [/QUOTE]
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