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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 1179739" data-attributes="member: 326">Hi there Grover, thanks for the reply! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />(thanks also to Kobold Avenger earlier who also toughed upon this point) <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Perhaps hierarchy is too specific a word, I think 'pecking order' may have been more akin to what I was after. I think you could make a case that they were all different aspects of the same race (but thats perhaps a discussion for another day); however, I do agree that power wise that does not necessitate any sort of direct parallels. Though personally I would have thought rough parallels would be common, with numbers vs. organisation; and also sin vs. virtue governing a rudimentary cosmic disposition of such forces.The origins of the Baatezu depends on which sourcebook you are reading at the time. I don't think being originally native to a plane is as fundamental as sharing that planes intrinsic ethos. As such the exodus of a race (or sub-race) that evolves/devolves would be an obvious occurance.I think the adoption of the Formian race as the Lawful Neutral archetype (supplanting the Modrons) was a WotC political decision rather than for the ideas own sake.The Rilmani have always seemed something of a non-entity of a race in my opinion, but maybe thats just a byproduct of their ambiguous identity?Ultroloths (and indeed Yugoloths in general) have been treated rather half-heartedly within 3rd Ed.Whereas the 'poster boys' (Balors and Pit Fiends) have seemingly been given the red carpet treatment, notably so with the most recent (3.5) incarnations.If anything the Yugoloths should comprise, pound for pound, the most powerful individuals. They don't have the numbers of chaos and they don't have the organisation of law, but they do have an inherant selfish streak unburdened by either (as per the outline of 'Neutral Evil' in the PHB).</blockquote>

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