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<blockquote data-quote="SteveC" data-source="post: 3885957" data-attributes="member: 9053">That may be the case, and I certainly don't want to tell people who feel very strongly about this issue that they're lying, because I'm sure they're not.What I do know is that the new edition will be shiny. Never underestimate the power of the shiny as far as gamers are concerned. Add to that the fact that it is extremely likely that the major third party manufacturers will no longer be producing content for 3X, and the fact that about 98% of the conversation on this website will be about 4E...you get a huge turnover of players to 4E, even if they're not thinking about it now.I say this because I've been here before. I've been with the game since before the AD&amp;D Monster Manual hit the shelves, and I've seen AD&amp;D go to Unearthed Arcana (oh, was there a stink there!) and then to second edition (what are these monster names? where are my demons and devils!) and then to 3X. In each case, there were many folks who said &quot;I have all the books, modules, whatever that I need.&quot; In each case, most of these people upgraded.If anything, 85% is too low a number. I actually feel confident enough to make this one a Stone-Cold, Lead-Pipe Lock of the Year for my subscribers, but I don't really have a way to measure the numbers in a meaningful manner.EDITJust to be a little on topic, I would certainly take a look at Monte's system, but then I am a rules artisan (is that like a sandwich artist?) so I like to heavily house rule the games I play. So I'd buy it...along with 4E.--Steve</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SteveC, post: 3885957, member: 9053"] That may be the case, and I certainly don't want to tell people who feel very strongly about this issue that they're lying, because I'm sure they're not. What I do know is that the new edition will be [B]shiny[/B]. Never underestimate the power of the shiny as far as gamers are concerned. Add to that the fact that it is extremely likely that the major third party manufacturers will no longer be producing content for 3X, and the fact that about 98% of the conversation on this website will be about 4E...you get a huge turnover of players to 4E, even if they're not thinking about it now. I say this because I've been here before. I've been with the game since before the AD&D Monster Manual hit the shelves, and I've seen AD&D go to Unearthed Arcana (oh, was there a stink there!) and then to second edition (what are these monster names? where are my demons and devils!) and then to 3X. In each case, there were many folks who said "I have all the books, modules, whatever that I need." In each case, most of these people upgraded. If anything, 85% is too low a number. I actually feel confident enough to make this one a Stone-Cold, Lead-Pipe Lock of the Year for my subscribers, but I don't really have a way to measure the numbers in a meaningful manner. EDIT Just to be a little on topic, I would certainly take a look at Monte's system, but then I am a rules artisan (is that like a sandwich artist?) so I like to heavily house rule the games I play. So I'd buy it...along with 4E. --Steve [/QUOTE]

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