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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Serge" data-source="post: 410790" data-attributes="member: 4049">No, I don't think I am treating them lightly.  And I also don't agree that "there shouldn't be loads of 32nd level characters" when one takes epic levels into consideration -- something the designers of BoVD do.  The fact remains that this book does use ELH, although not officially, in much the same way Call of Cthulu uses Deities and Demigods for the Elder Gods and the Great Old Ones.  As for 32nd level characters... a group of 32nd level characters would have a hard time beating a demigod, but will have no trouble routing Asmodeus.  Doesn't make sense to me.Perhaps people would still complain.  I know I would primarily because I don't think Asmodeus, Demogorgon, et al. should have CR because they should be treated as gods or god-like.  I have no problem with the manner in which WotC handled gods.  Initially, I was resistant to statted gods, but when I saw how they were handled, I was satisfied.  I am of the position that these entities should have been handled the same way... especially considering the precedent of 1ed, which the designers have been using since day one.Agree with the first portion of your statement, but not with the last.  Yes, 3ed is very flexible and adaptable.  However, I do think that constructive criticism remains par for the course... especially when some of the decisions have been inconsistent.For some, this may be the case.  For others, and I suspect this is the situation with some people involved in this conversation, that's utter nonsense.  As I've said, I, like many others initially disagreed with the direction WotC took with statting gods.  What we did see, however, makes sense and works well for many people.  Now, the same may happen with the arch-fiends once we all get to see it.  However, based upon what's been shared so far, many people want to share their position.  Nothing to do with meeting "precise specifications."</blockquote>

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