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<blockquote data-quote="Zelda Themelin" data-source="post: 410847" data-attributes="member: 167"><p>Yep, in theory, but he can use up to 17 000 to 34 000 exp before dropping a level (which is not allowable) and each wish eats up 5000 exp or more.</p><p></p><p>However, that theory about being able to face 128 such wizards at the same time (or at the same day, for that matter), and have equal changes of winning (or even changes at winning), is quite impossible within rules.</p><p></p><p>However, thats way to tell, how hard it is to gain levels at the high ends. Or way to say, that CR system is broken at highter levels.</p><p></p><p>18th level is huge, 20th more so, over that almost unheard of IMO. For humanoids, that is.</p><p></p><p>But, we are speaking of mortals here. Immortal monsters don't have same limitations.</p><p></p><p>Why people so lightly use idea of 32th, is because they arent't really THAT much more powerful, than 20th level characters.</p><p></p><p>And depending on what books have been used, or even what core classes have been used, 20th levels character have quite different strengts and weaknesses. Even different power-levels. And in some cases (if prestige class min-maxing was not the issue), it's just because they are strong at diffrent situations.</p><p></p><p>However, I am clad they didn't use epic rules, since IMO they are crappy. But they aren't now consistant even with MM power levels, and I expected them to be in line with most powerful Solars.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and Graz'zt got shaft indeed, compared to his fellow demon lords.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zelda Themelin, post: 410847, member: 167"] Yep, in theory, but he can use up to 17 000 to 34 000 exp before dropping a level (which is not allowable) and each wish eats up 5000 exp or more. However, that theory about being able to face 128 such wizards at the same time (or at the same day, for that matter), and have equal changes of winning (or even changes at winning), is quite impossible within rules. However, thats way to tell, how hard it is to gain levels at the high ends. Or way to say, that CR system is broken at highter levels. 18th level is huge, 20th more so, over that almost unheard of IMO. For humanoids, that is. But, we are speaking of mortals here. Immortal monsters don't have same limitations. Why people so lightly use idea of 32th, is because they arent't really THAT much more powerful, than 20th level characters. And depending on what books have been used, or even what core classes have been used, 20th levels character have quite different strengts and weaknesses. Even different power-levels. And in some cases (if prestige class min-maxing was not the issue), it's just because they are strong at diffrent situations. However, I am clad they didn't use epic rules, since IMO they are crappy. But they aren't now consistant even with MM power levels, and I expected them to be in line with most powerful Solars. Oh, and Graz'zt got shaft indeed, compared to his fellow demon lords. [/QUOTE]
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