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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 410888" data-attributes="member: 326"><p>Hi Henry! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're joking right!?!? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /></p><p></p><p>Graz'zt IS the big boy on the block! </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Lets get the 1st Ed. stats up here right now and lets throw down monkey boy!</p><p></p><p>I'll slice that maroon baboon to peices!</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>That winged king-kong wannabe is not a top tier demon monarch - close, but no cigar.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Don't be quoting any of that 2nd Ed. jive y'hear!</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>...and Graz'zt...and Zuggtmoy.</p><p></p><p>Off the top of my head from Graz'zt's Monster Manual II (1st Ed.) entry:</p><p></p><p>"...a dedicated foe of both Demogorgon and Orcus..."</p><p></p><p>It does not read '...cowers behind his lamia and succubi when Orcus and Demogorgon call him out to play...'</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I haven't heard this much jive since National Lampoons Airplane.</p><p></p><p>In Monster Manual 2 (1st Ed.) Graz'zt is valued as worth more XP than any other Demon Prince/Arch-Devil in that book except Pazuzu (the enigmatic proto-demon)!</p><p></p><p>That means more than Mephistopheles and more than Fraz-Urb'luu and practically double both Belial and Mammon!</p><p></p><p>If we compare things to the 1st ed. XP values then Baalzebul and Orcus are roughly comparable to Graz'zt with Demogorgon and Asmodeus somewhat out in front - however those figures don't seem consistent with the stats since they have Juiblex equal to Mephistopheles and Yeenoghu surpassing him. As such its a safe bet the Monster Manual 1 XP totals for unique beings (given in the Dungeon Masters Guide at the time) are about 10,000 XP heavy.</p><p></p><p>As such the most powerful should be Demogorgon; Asmodeus; Graz'zt and Pazuzu.</p><p></p><p>Followed by Orcus; Baalzebul; Mephistopheles and Fraz-Urb'luu.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yet Call of Cthulhu D20 has divine power entities without needing Deities & Demigods or the Epic Level Handbook.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Low power is one thing; relative power is quite another.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 410888, member: 326"] Hi Henry! :) You're joking right!?!? :confused: Graz'zt IS the big boy on the block! Lets get the 1st Ed. stats up here right now and lets throw down monkey boy! I'll slice that maroon baboon to peices! That winged king-kong wannabe is not a top tier demon monarch - close, but no cigar. Don't be quoting any of that 2nd Ed. jive y'hear! ...and Graz'zt...and Zuggtmoy. Off the top of my head from Graz'zt's Monster Manual II (1st Ed.) entry: "...a dedicated foe of both Demogorgon and Orcus..." It does not read '...cowers behind his lamia and succubi when Orcus and Demogorgon call him out to play...' I haven't heard this much jive since National Lampoons Airplane. In Monster Manual 2 (1st Ed.) Graz'zt is valued as worth more XP than any other Demon Prince/Arch-Devil in that book except Pazuzu (the enigmatic proto-demon)! That means more than Mephistopheles and more than Fraz-Urb'luu and practically double both Belial and Mammon! If we compare things to the 1st ed. XP values then Baalzebul and Orcus are roughly comparable to Graz'zt with Demogorgon and Asmodeus somewhat out in front - however those figures don't seem consistent with the stats since they have Juiblex equal to Mephistopheles and Yeenoghu surpassing him. As such its a safe bet the Monster Manual 1 XP totals for unique beings (given in the Dungeon Masters Guide at the time) are about 10,000 XP heavy. As such the most powerful should be Demogorgon; Asmodeus; Graz'zt and Pazuzu. Followed by Orcus; Baalzebul; Mephistopheles and Fraz-Urb'luu. Yet Call of Cthulhu D20 has divine power entities without needing Deities & Demigods or the Epic Level Handbook. Low power is one thing; relative power is quite another. [/QUOTE]
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