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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 411132" data-attributes="member: 957">drnuncheon,Again, I don't disagree with anything you said. However, I think you have made my point.  The ELH has rules for advanced dragons and epic dragons.  So the paradigm you describe (in which a CR24 Grazz'zt works fine) is not compatible with the ELH.When you say"If you want to use Graz'zt as an opponent in a higher-level Epic game, then it behooves you to make him into an Epic opponent - you, not WOTC, just the same as if you wanted to make changes to any other monster to fit your specific campaign. You can't expect Wizards to write things specifically for your game. I think this has been said about six times now by different people, so I'm not sure why I'm trying to say it."you are in essence agreeing with me, that (based on the CR24) Graz'zt does not fit where he should for a game using the ELH.  What does that mean?  It means the BoVD and ELH are not compatible.I don't have any expectation that WoTC will make changes that fit my specific campaign.  I have never mentioned my specific campaign.  I would have thought that they would NOT require me to make changes to make their own products work with each other.Again, I don't have a problem with it, I am just pointing it out as interesting.</blockquote>