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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 411404" data-attributes="member: 326">Hi Claude! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Exactly. Yet that book contained deity-level interpretations of the Great Old Ones and Outer Gods in an appendix and no one complained. So why couldn't the Book of Vile Darkness be treated in a similar fashion!? Why not? Okay lets look at a parallel here. The Great Old Ones have worshippers so they are statted as gods. The Demon Princes and Archdevils also have worshippers...yet they are not statted as gods. Doesn't that smack of hypocrisy? Even if we prescribe to this shaky 3rd Ed. canon they spend a not insignificant amount of time outlining the worshippers of these beings; detailing the domains these beings could grant; and explaining how "if you want" you could give them divine ranks. The power level is consistent with where you would want it given you have to facilitate interaction with the lowest common denominator while still retaining some semblance of power. I have no problem with that in itself - actually it makes sense.My only problem with the book is that Graz'zt is no longer consistent with Orcus and Demogorgon in terms of power. I didn't say it should do the same - but it certainly could without any difficulty. Also that would have also solved 90% of the discussion in this thread since you would have the Divine Asmodeus to challenge epic PCs and an Avatar Asmodeus to interact with powerful, though non-epic PCs. Simple as that.</blockquote>

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