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<blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 411469" data-attributes="member: 96">CR is not a measure of power.CR is a measure of the challenge to 4 PCs in a fight.There are many ways to be powerful that do not involve being able to kick the tuckuses of 4 guys who show up on your front doorstep.Graz'zt may be able to hold his own versus Demogorgon and Orcus for reasons other than sheer combat ability.I haven't seen the stats or the background, so I'm not certain if that's the case, but it seems to be that 90% or more of the &quot;wussy Graz'zt&quot; complaint has been based solely on CR, which is as ridiculous as basing it solely on number of hit points.In short: Graz'zt may be a tougher foe for other demon lords than he is for PCs.&nbsp; That won't be reflected in his CR, because CR isn't meant to measure how tough you are against demon lords, it's meant to measure how tough you are against PCs.J</blockquote>

[QUOTE="drnuncheon, post: 411469, member: 96"] CR is not a measure of power. CR is a measure of the challenge to 4 PCs in a fight. There are many ways to be powerful that do not involve being able to kick the tuckuses of 4 guys who show up on your front doorstep. Graz'zt may be able to hold his own versus Demogorgon and Orcus for reasons other than sheer combat ability. I haven't seen the stats or the background, so I'm not certain if that's the case, but it seems to be that 90% or more of the "wussy Graz'zt" complaint has been based solely on CR, which is as ridiculous as basing it solely on number of hit points. In short: Graz'zt may be a tougher foe for other demon lords than he is for PCs. That won't be reflected in his CR, because CR isn't meant to measure how tough you are against demon lords, it's meant to measure how tough you are against PCs. J [/QUOTE]

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